[a_Username]

Originally Posted by Brokinarrow

That's great. You're on a Camaro forum. If you come here showing an obvious bias to anything but the Camaro or GM, you should be prepared to be flamed.

Furthermore, the pages you linked appear to tally the number recalls and not the number of vehicles recalled.

Yep.

[bigearl]

It seems that Toyota of the 2000's tried to be GM of the 90s and vice versa (focusing on marketshare and costcutting). Toyota definitely needs to reduce the number of partnerships they have or bring better control and oversight to their partners. I just read last week that several of their partners were no where close to the inspection and testing regimen they agreed to when Toyota contracted with them and Toyota was shocked by this. Seems like they should have a pretty firm grip on what's going on through their contracted suppliers.

[Sax1031]

Originally Posted by bigearl

It seems that Toyota of the 2000's tried to be GM of the 90s and vice versa (focusing on marketshare and costcutting). Toyota definitely needs to reduce the number of partnerships they have or bring better control and oversight to their partners. I just read last week that several of their partners were no where close to the inspection and testing regimen they agreed to when Toyota contracted with them and Toyota was shocked by this. Seems like they should have a pretty firm grip on what's going on through their contracted suppliers.

Yes it seems Toyota is trying to emulate the american auto industry of the 80s into the 90s. Sad.

[TahoeCamaro]

Originally Posted by Jay J

1,920,000 results(GM) vs 638,000(Toyota) vs 908,000(Chevy) results hmmnnn......
Searching ______+Recalls...

Why are you on this forum if all you do is bash GM? You don't have better things to do? Get a life and get off this forum.

[CombatVet0311]

my mother's corolla surges a little when she presses the brakes, I told her to immediately take it to the dealer for recall.

Scary, this situation is hitting close to home.

[its a syn]

Toyota drivers, please stay 500 feet behind my Camaro please!!

[n!ght r!der]

They wouldn't have had to recall these cars if they just told people to only use toyota brake fluid when they came out.... But you never know, they might be lying again...

[20Camaro11]

Nope, not buying into the hysteria or whatever the bandwagon is. Every manufacturer has problems come along now and then. Toyota didn't get where they are now as a competing #1 sales leader building crap...On that note, GM is right there with them competing for that spot. I hate fanboys and trolls...gawd

[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by 20Camaro11

Nope, not buying into the hysteria or whatever the bandwagon is. Every manufacturer has problems come along now and then. Toyota didn't get where they are now as a competing #1 sales leader building crap...On that note, GM is right there with them competing for that spot. I hate fanboys and trolls...gawd

I disagree. It was Toyota's quest to overtake GM as world's largest automaker that has resulted in all of these problems. Toyota knew that they had a huge following of sheep who would buy whatever crap they threw on dealer lots, so they began half-assing cars. Ever been in a new Corolla? The quality of materials and workmanship are terrible.

Toyota is heading down the same road GM did. Success leads to arrogance. Toyota believed they were at the top of the world last year and that nothing could hurt them, but their sudden rise to the top has murdered everything Toyota once stood for.

[CaniacFan]

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

I disagree. It was Toyota's quest to overtake GM as world's largest automaker that has resulted in all of these problems. Toyota knew that they had a huge following of sheep who would buy whatever crap they threw on dealer lots, so they began half-assing cars. Ever been in a new Corolla? The quality of materials and workmanship are terrible.

Toyota is heading down the same road GM did. Success leads to arrogance. Toyota believed they were at the top of the world last year and that nothing could hurt them, but their sudden rise to the top has murdered everything Toyota once stood for.

Well spoken Fen - you hit the nail on the head.

[20Camaro11]

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

I disagree. It was Toyota's quest to overtake GM as world's largest automaker that has resulted in all of these problems. Toyota knew that they had a huge following of sheep who would buy whatever crap they threw on dealer lots, so they began half-assing cars. Ever been in a new Corolla? The quality of materials and workmanship are terrible.

Toyota is heading down the same road GM did. Success leads to arrogance. Toyota believed they were at the top of the world last year and that nothing could hurt them, but their sudden rise to the top has murdered everything Toyota once stood for.

I agree that Toyota is following the former path of GM (any of the Big 3). The accelerator thing turned out to be mostly media hype. The government even relunctantly admitted nothing is wrong with the electronics, so the problem remains mostly floor mats in run-away events. Your own profile ( GM loyal for life...) suggests you are a sheep or fanboy. I have owned GM most of the 10 years I have been driving with mixed results. I won't flame on another manufactuer just because over the last 5 years its quality has dropped. The big three wandered off into the desert for a good part of 30 years and just in the last 10 years have really made genuine efforts to build HIGH quality reliable products. During those 30 years, a good many sheep still bought those vehicles and loved em (for the most part). For the record, I have never owned a Toyota or such. I just don't get the hostility. How is this brake issue any different than when GM went to Dexcool and thousands of people destroyed radiators and engines after using regular coolant not following GM recommendations. I don't recall GM shedding any tears for their customers.

[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by 20Camaro11

I agree that Toyota is following the former path of GM (any of the Big 3). The accelerator thing turned out to be mostly media hype. The government even relunctantly admitted nothing is wrong with the electronics, so the problem remains mostly floor mats in run-away events. Your own profile ( GM loyal for life...) suggests you are a sheep or fanboy. I have owned GM most of the 10 years I have been driving with mixed results. I won't flame on another manufactuer just because over the last 5 years its quality has dropped. The big three wandered off into the desert for a good part of 30 years and just in the last 10 years have really made genuine efforts to build HIGH quality reliable products. During those 30 years, a good many sheep still bought those vehicles and loved em (for the most part). For the record, I have never owned a Toyota or such. I just don't get the hostility. How is this brake issue any different than when GM went to Dexcool and thousands of people destroyed radiators and engines after using regular coolant not following GM recommendations. I don't recall GM shedding any tears for their customers.

Trust me, I am more than willing to criticize GM for stupid decisions and mistakes, and was in fact discussing some of them with a group of Ford engineers today.

The problem I have with Toyota is that they never man up to problems until it blows up in their face. There is a history of Toyota covering up problems or sidestepping recalls through "service campaigns" just to maintain their image of quality. That refusal to fix known problems has resulted in quite a few deaths in the recent years.

By the way, the engine coolant cap on every GM vehicle clearly states that you MUST use DexCool only. The owner's manual says the same thing.

And my profile says "GM loyal until the end" because my dad worked for the company for 30 years. That's what my loyalty stems from, and that's something most people can't even come close to comprehending.

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by 20Camaro11

I agree that Toyota is following the former path of GM (any of the Big 3). The accelerator thing turned out to be mostly media hype. The government even relunctantly admitted nothing is wrong with the electronics, so the problem remains mostly floor mats in run-away events. Your own profile ( GM loyal for life...) suggests you are a sheep or fanboy. I have owned GM most of the 10 years I have been driving with mixed results. I won't flame on another manufactuer just because over the last 5 years its quality has dropped. The big three wandered off into the desert for a good part of 30 years and just in the last 10 years have really made genuine efforts to build HIGH quality reliable products. During those 30 years, a good many sheep still bought those vehicles and loved em (for the most part). For the record, I have never owned a Toyota or such. I just don't get the hostility. How is this brake issue any different than when GM went to Dexcool and thousands of people destroyed radiators and engines after using regular coolant not following GM recommendations. I don't recall GM shedding any tears for their customers.

Phew, the government said it wasn't the electronics! Seriously, wait until actual experts who have the slightest idea of what they're doing inspect the car.

[20Camaro11]

google GM/Chevy & defective intermediate shaft and see the results. GM has been doing the same thing for years up to today. My 2005 Monte Carlo had it, my brothers 2009 Impala has it...GM reluctantly started fixing them, but the customer has to raise holy hell. Most manufacturers propbably pull this kind of stuff, its only once the customer pulls their head out of the ....they see what has been going on. Most companies are guilty of not standing fully behind their product at some point....I refer back to protecting the shareholder ROI. With a few minutes research, I bet just about any search of a consumer complaint website would show most manufacturers have quirky problems they don't fix. I won't jump on the lets torch Toyota when they are all in the same camp.