[TheEnthusiast]

Checks date...well its not April 1st lol. Maybe this is real but without Al at the helm what are we really going to get?

2 door, RWD V8, Manual or gtfo

[Malbjey]

Originally Posted by Junction65

That was not the intention of the LT1 trim and most LT1 buyers didn't want those options. The selective options offered in the LT1 trim mainly addressed the base coupe's shortcomings, for example the standard smaller infotainment screen hence the option of the Tech Package(bigger screen and Bose audio). Don't like the cloth seats...Recaro option. Not a fan of alcantara...leather comes standard on the dash, steering wheel, shift knob boot, etc. The LT1 trim is a different vibe for those that want to go that route.

There was no point of "loading up" a LT1 since you would end up in the SS price range.

Very much disagree here. People would have absolutely opted for blind spot monitoring (especially with the car's compromised visibility) and heated/cooled seats on the LT1.


If anything, the extra performance upgrades (extra cooling, bigger rear brakes, etc) from the SS models is what people don't need if they are buying the car for the streets and drag strip.


Most Camaro buyers aren't tracking the car where they even need the extra cooling or extra braking power. You don't even need that stuff for Autocross.


People shouldn't have to pay 5K+ more for an SS2, when GM could have offered the convenience features as an option on the LT1. GM got greedy.


And again, the price to add those features for the I4 and V6 cars was nowhere near as large.

[SS_Don]

Originally Posted by Junction65

7GEN Camaro requirements for minimum viable product:

1. 6.7 LS6 DPI engine option
2. Supercharged variant of 6.7 DPI engine for higher trim level
3. M6/A10 transmission options
4. 3GEN styling influences both exterior and interior
5. Z28 trim level

Bonus req: T-tops option (not that it will ever happen, but adding it anyways because I can...)

6. Hard top convertible.

[olrocker]

Originally Posted by JT6Speed

Highly doubtful we get a car that resembles what we already had.

That formula doesn't sell well anymore, as others have mentioned. The Mustang is a good example, Supra has been cancelled too.

Plus, most US manufacturers only make 1 car now...Ford has Mustang, Chevy has Corvette, and Dodge has Charger.

Not sure another car, let alone a V8 car, would be a feasible option for them.

Mustang Coupe sales are actually up quite a bit over the last year. I don’t have the numbers with me right now but in the last couple weeks it was kind of big news in the automotive news world.

Dodge is getting much better response now that the Hurricane is in the Charger as the EV Charger might have been the biggest flop since Edsel. And folks are still clamoring for a return of the Hemi, which all signs point to them putting it in there.

So with the reduced demand for EV, the changes in emissions, and I think a general malaise about boring SUVs everywhere you look, theres a market for a 2 door, V8 coupe

There’s also a market for a full size, body on frame off road SUV that Bronco and Wrangler own but GM chose to put the Blazer name on a unibody, FWD based soccer mom grocery getter.

So hopefully GM learned their mistake on that one.

[ItsChristianInHD]

Originally Posted by Malbjey

Very much disagree here. People would have absolutely opted for blind spot monitoring (especially with the car's compromised visibility) and heated/cooled seats on the LT1.


If anything, the extra performance upgrades (extra cooling, bigger rear brakes, etc) from the SS models is what people don't need if they are buying the car for the streets and drag strip.


Most Camaro buyers aren't tracking the car where they even need the extra cooling or extra braking power. You don't even need that stuff for Autocross.


People shouldn't have to pay 5K+ more for an SS2, when GM could have offered the convenience features as an option on the LT1. GM got greedy.


And again, the price to add those features for the I4 and V6 cars was nowhere near as large.

I do agree they should have had a proper answer to the Mustang GT Premium without the performance pack. A true sports car daily driver friendly V8 that has all the creature comforts and tech but without being the track car.

[JT6Speed]

Originally Posted by olrocker

Mustang Coupe sales are actually up quite a bit over the last year. I don’t have the numbers with me right now but in the last couple weeks it was kind of big news in the automotive news world.

Dodge is getting much better response now that the Hurricane is in the Charger as the EV Charger might have been the biggest flop since Edsel. And folks are still clamoring for a return of the Hemi, which all signs point to them putting it in there.

So with the reduced demand for EV, the changes in emissions, and I think a general malaise about boring SUVs everywhere you look, theres a market for a 2 door, V8 coupe

There’s also a market for a full size, body on frame off road SUV that Bronco and Wrangler own but GM chose to put the Blazer name on a unibody, FWD based soccer mom grocery getter.

So hopefully GM learned their mistake on that one.

I agree, but I do think we have a larger underlying "problem" that caused SUV's to increase in demand.

Things are very expensive, and it's been magnified since 2020.

Years ago the sports and muscle car market was far more youth driven. Now, a young person barely scraping by can't spend 50k on a 2 doors sports car, especially in an area with a snowier climate where you can't use it for months out of the year.

Performance oriented SUV's have the appeal of being the best of both worlds. Drive your kids to school and run 12's on the way home. Obviously, they aren't cheap either, but one could argue they are more practical.

Anyway, the car scene has really changed in the last 10 years or so.

When I bought my 2014 Mustsng things were BOOMING car wise.

Z/28, ZL-1, GT500 (with GT350 pending), 392, Hellcats, new C7 Vette, Chevy SS, 6th gen coming, S550 coming...but I digress.

[Junction65]

Originally Posted by Malbjey

Very much disagree here. People would have absolutely opted for blind spot monitoring (especially with the car's compromised visibility) and heated/cooled seats on the LT1.


If anything, the extra performance upgrades (extra cooling, bigger rear brakes, etc) from the SS models is what people don't need if they are buying the car for the streets and drag strip.


Most Camaro buyers aren't tracking the car where they even need the extra cooling or extra braking power. You don't even need that stuff for Autocross.


People shouldn't have to pay 5K+ more for an SS2, when GM could have offered the convenience features as an option on the LT1. GM got greedy.


And again, the price to add those features for the I4 and V6 cars was nowhere near as large.

Auto manufacturers have been stuffing big engines into low or no option/"sleeper" cars since the 60s. Thats the market for which the LT1 trim was intended. The phrase "most bang for the buck" is normally used to describe/discuss this segment.

A more recent example would be the Foxbody 5.0 notchback sedan. Same drivetrain as the GT model but none or only a limited amount of the "convenience" features offered so to speak. Low mileage 5.0 notchbacks bring as much if not more than comparable GTs on BAT in today's auctions. The actual numbers validate that there is a market for these type of low or no option/"sleeper" cars.

Just because it's your opinion that "people would have absolutely opted for blind spot monitoring" doesn't change decades of historical precedence.

Agree to disagree.

[detamble13]

Originally Posted by olrocker

Since it’s going to be on the CT5 chassis offering a 4 door Camaro that’s essentially a CT5 sedan will only canabalize CT5 sedan sales.

I’m sure GM learned that lesson from the badge engineering days of the 80s.

If the Camaro returns as a 4 door I imagine it would be priced as a Chevy and far enough away from Cadillac numbers that the Camaro and CT5 wouldn't step on each other. I do remember the days of Cavalier and Sunfire, Caprice and Roadmaster. My first car was a used 95 Caprice, great memories. I mean the Sierra and Silverado still coexist but I see what you're saying. Market share isn't what it used to be so having two mechanically similar cars might not make sense unless you really differentiate them.

[olrocker]

Originally Posted by detamble13

If the Camaro returns as a 4 door I imagine it would be priced as a Chevy and far enough away from Cadillac numbers that the Camaro and CT5 wouldn't step on each other. I do remember the days of Cavalier and Sunfire, Caprice and Roadmaster. My first car was a used 95 Caprice, great memories. I mean the Sierra and Silverado still coexist but I see what you're saying. Market share isn't what it used to be so having two mechanically similar cars might not make sense unless you really differentiate them.

I’m old enough to remember the A-body fiasco that started in the early 80s. 4 EXACTLY the same cars from 4 different divisions

[Junction65]

Originally Posted by SS_Don

6. Hard top convertible.

I'm all for it however that would be challenging within 3GEN styling confines. Maybe something functionally similar to the C8 system. Along with a hefty additional premium for the option, there would be the usual "golf club/trunk space" complaints...

[Suds ZLE]

And then there is the outside chance that a 7th gen Camaro could be an extension of the C7 Corvette.

[bishopts]

Originally Posted by JT6Speed

Highly doubtful we get a car that resembles what we already had.

That formula doesn't sell well anymore, as others have mentioned. The Mustang is a good example, Supra has been cancelled too.

Plus, most US manufacturers only make 1 car now...Ford has Mustang, Chevy has Corvette, and Dodge has Charger.

Not sure another car, let alone a V8 car, would be a feasible option for them.

There are talks of toyota bringing back the celica and mr2 with the new engine they have designed. Also toyota actually making the next supra instead of bmw doing it for them.

American built cars for 2026 are, camry ,corolla, mustang, ct5, corvette, altima.
Charger is Canada. Sentra and versa are mexico. I didn't sort through lexus or infiniti. Those are usually japan built.
Cars are definitely being killed off.

Its hard to say what direction they go with the camaro. But i would lean on sports sedan like the g8/chevy ss. Building a car that stands out among SUV desires is going to be tough. There are those people that just don't want to drive an SUV and don't want to sell their house to buy a corvette. So there is a non enthusiast reason to build it.

[Suds ZLE]

One item I should add, the decision of the next generation Camaro was probably directed two plus years ago.

[olrocker]

Originally Posted by Suds ZLE

One item I should add, the decision of the next generation Camaro was probably directed two plus years ago.

IIRC the 7th gen design was in the preliminary stages while 6th gen was still in production, and I think there was even a leaked sketch from inside GM’s design studio before the Queen of broken hearts shut it down.