[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by ZLRob

I run PS4's as well. They have proven pretty darn reliable in the rain. The only time they ever felt sketchy was this season in. Amassive downpour where you couldn't see 100 feet in front of you. Everyone was moving slowly though so that just goes to show how bad it was.. outside of that single instance, they are solid and hold good power when it's warm out. Under 60 degrees out and any power over mostly factory levels, be careful when trying to have some fun because they can let go at higher RPM's.

Great point. I thought it was already obvious to everyone else that "street fun", as in, more than 50-60% throttle or 1g+ turns in a RWD car with 650-750-850 or more horsepower can only be had on quality dry pavement and warm weather.

[Broooster]

I've run the Continental Extreme Contact DWS06's since I ditched the stock tires. Been caught in a number of storms, can safely say they do very well. They have seen some cold weather as well, and still ride nice. They also do very well in the twisty's, as I've seen over 1 Gs and they hold the road.

[puppykat33]

Originally Posted by arpad_m

I've been running the PS4S in various sizes since late 2019, got into several hard downpours, drove it in 32-34° temps and wet roads over the years, never had an issue. I obviously don't try to race on a highway with rain pouring like a wet inferno, and the car doesn't even flinch even in deep puddles.

What makes you say these tires are unpredictable?

just my experience, mostly happens at take off on rainy road or from wet traffic lights with a M6, They will hook one time and the next time your fishtailing in the middle of the road, Of course it can be worked around but it is still unpredictable which box of chocolates your going to get..

[Patriot Motorsports USA]

Originally Posted by puppykat33

just my experience, mostly happens at take off on rainy road or from wet traffic lights with a M6, They will hook one time and the next time your fishtailing in the middle of the road, Of course it can be worked around but it is still unpredictable which box of chocolates your going to get..

For the first two years of owning my ZLE, I used the Michelin PS4S+OEM BMW Spec 4-compound tires. I would buy these direct from Tire Rack in South Bend and have my local store here in Darlington mount them up. They were at the time what I thought were the best street tire and even went as far as trusting them on the Cherohala Skyway in November two years ago in the icy peaks.

In September last year, I bought the Continental Extreme Contact 02s and did so based on reports from friends running the Cannonball OLOA events where they have to run an entire week of driving and tracks across America on one set of tires... noting their incredible wet traction and even wear. I mounted them on my stock ZLE wheels as my "Rain Tires" for a planned trackday at VIR, which ended up being dry... but finally got the chance at Road Atlanta last November. It was a cold & chilly morning with fog and a torrential downpour but the sessions were open, so a tap on Track Mode with a double-tap of the TC button and I was in WET-Mode. I was SHOCKED at the amount of traction these tires have! I was actually driving like my Ram 3500 Dually and AIMING for the standing water on the edges of the curbing in the Esses between turns 4 & 5, at speed while accelerating making river of water crossing from the elevation splash out to the grass on driver's left! This was one of those times when you giggle out loud, because you really SHOULD not be playing in the rain in a ZLE at speed and doing "Truck Stuff" like you are aiming for the puddles by the Bus Stop!!

After a few laps my confidence was high enough and I was "convinced" there was a "line" drier than the rest, so I switched from "Wet Mode" to Dry... and was immediately told by my Garmin Catalyst, that was a bad idea as I lost 2-4 seconds per sector! So back to Wet Mode it was... with confidence I could run 140+mph and netted a handful of sub-2 minute lap times in the rain! You will notice in the photos, the tires are wicking up all the water and displacing it here in turn-1. I was able to brake hard from 120+mph, set for the turn and FLAT FOOT the throttle through the entire turn up the hill with confidence! This is a slippery turn in the dry... where earlier in the year I spun my car here missing the wall by mere inches on SC3Rs that had not come up to temp enough, so yeah... a little PTSD here and now I am flat-footed in the WET!!

As the rain stopped and the track began to dry, I stayed on the Contis for two more sessions and changed to my SC3Rs after lunch on the warmer dry track. The Contis were amazing in the dry as well with a starting pressure of 28psi, they came in at 32-34psi and was only about 4-5 seconds off the pace of the SC3Rs. I never felt they were twitchy, but I simply was not pushing tires I did not wish to melt down to prove anything... the rain did that!

The following week, I mounted the Continentals back on the car, driving it from SC to Florida for Thanksgiving and Daytona for Turkey Rod Run... putting 1600 miles on them over the week with virtually no signs of wear at all. The Extreme Contact 02s have two wear icons, "DW" embedded into the tire. These are indicators for their "DRY" & "WET" zones on the tires. I have since logged another 2000 miles and both DW icons are on the tires.

I have also added a set of these tires to my daily, a lightweight all aluminum 2004 Jaguar XJR which makes 450whp... and the ride with the airbag replaced coil-overs is SO MUCH quieter with better grip!

[arpad_m]

Just to make sure we're all on the same page, OP wants an all-season variant, initially thinking about the PS4 AS, and you're talking about the max performance summer variant of the Conti ECS.

I wish the Contis came in the exact sizes I need, but they don't. Yeah, I could switch to official SS 1LE sizes, but my car is a non-1LE, plus I don't mind the extra bit of sidewall.

Originally Posted by Patriot Motorsports USA

For the first two years of owning my ZLE, I used the Michelin PS4S+OEM BMW Spec 4-compound tires. I would buy these direct from Tire Rack in South Bend and have my local store here in Darlington mount them up. They were at the time what I thought were the best street tire and even went as far as trusting them on the Cherohala Skyway in November two years ago in the icy peaks.

In September last year, I bought the Continental Extreme Contact 02s and did so based on reports from friends running the Cannonball OLOA events where they have to run an entire week of driving and tracks across America on one set of tires... noting their incredible wet traction and even wear. I mounted them on my stock ZLE wheels as my "Rain Tires" for a planned trackday at VIR, which ended up being dry... but finally got the chance at Road Atlanta last November. It was a cold & chilly morning with fog and a torrential downpour but the sessions were open, so a tap on Track Mode with a double-tap of the TC button and I was in WET-Mode. I was SHOCKED at the amount of traction these tires have! I was actually driving like my Ram 3500 Dually and AIMING for the standing water on the edges of the curbing in the Esses between turns 4 & 5, at speed while accelerating making river of water crossing from the elevation splash out to the grass on driver's left! This was one of those times when you giggle out loud, because you really SHOULD not be playing in the rain in a ZLE at speed and doing "Truck Stuff" like you are aiming for the puddles by the Bus Stop!!

After a few laps my confidence was high enough and I was "convinced" there was a "line" drier than the rest, so I switched from "Wet Mode" to Dry... and was immediately told by my Garmin Catalyst, that was a bad idea as I lost 2-4 seconds per sector! So back to Wet Mode it was... with confidence I could run 140+mph and netted a handful of sub-2 minute lap times in the rain! You will notice in the photos, the tires are wicking up all the water and displacing it here in turn-1. I was able to brake hard from 120+mph, set for the turn and FLAT FOOT the throttle through the entire turn up the hill with confidence! This is a slippery turn in the dry... where earlier in the year I spun my car here missing the wall by mere inches on SC3Rs that had not come up to temp enough, so yeah... a little PTSD here and now I am flat-footed in the WET!!

As the rain stopped and the track began to dry, I stayed on the Contis for two more sessions and changed to my SC3Rs after lunch on the warmer dry track. The Contis were amazing in the dry as well with a starting pressure of 28psi, they came in at 32-34psi and was only about 4-5 seconds off the pace of the SC3Rs. I never felt they were twitchy, but I simply was not pushing tires I did not wish to melt down to prove anything... the rain did that!

The following week, I mounted the Continentals back on the car, driving it from SC to Florida for Thanksgiving and Daytona for Turkey Rod Run... putting 1600 miles on them over the week with virtually no signs of wear at all. The Extreme Contact 02s have two wear icons, "DW" embedded into the tire. These are indicators for their "DRY" & "WET" zones on the tires. I have since logged another 2000 miles and both DW icons are on the tires.

I have also added a set of these tires to my daily, a lightweight all aluminum 2004 Jaguar XJR which makes 450whp... and the ride with the airbag replaced coil-overs is SO MUCH quieter with better grip!

[Patriot Motorsports USA]

Originally Posted by arpad_m

Just to make sure we're all on the same page, OP wants an all-season variant, initially thinking about the PS4 AS, and you're talking about the max performance summer variant of the Conti ECS.

I wish the Contis came in the exact sizes I need, but they don't. Yeah, I could switch to official SS 1LE sizes, but my car is a non-1LE, plus I don't mind the extra bit of sidewall.

I read what the OP asked for and then all the replies as well. Being that he is in Georgia, our temps here in Georgia and SC with the Contis are well within the range of far greater control than the PS4S tires. You already disagreed with the OP's desire for a RF tire, which I also agree with... they are too heavy and subject to more hydroplaning after many heat cycles, especially if run in Spring/Summer months. Being that it is March, and the chance for freezing temps seems to be behind us now, my cold 30-40 day rainy temps at Road Atlanta will fall in-line with the OP's desires for traction on the hit and through shifting gears.

Also note, the Contis are available for all 2SS and SS1LE sizes.

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/conti...ntact-sport-02

[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by Patriot Motorsports USA

I read what the OP asked for and then all the replies as well. Being that he is in Georgia, our temps here in Georgia and SC with the Contis are well within the range of far greater control than the PS4S tires. You already disagreed with the OP's desire for a RF tire, which I also agree with... they are too heavy and subject to more hydroplaning after many heat cycles, especially if run in Spring/Summer months. Being that it is March, and the chance for freezing temps seems to be behind us now, my cold 30-40 day rainy temps at Road Atlanta will fall in-line with the OP's desires for traction on the hit and through shifting gears.

Also note, the Contis are available for all 2SS and SS1LE sizes.

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/conti...ntact-sport-02

This could be a whole another discussion, let's not hijack OP's thread, especially since he has a ZL1

[puppykat33]

Originally Posted by Patriot Motorsports USA

For the first two years of owning my ZLE, I used the Michelin PS4S+OEM BMW Spec 4-compound tires. I would buy these direct from Tire Rack in South Bend and have my local store here in Darlington mount them up. They were at the time what I thought were the best street tire and even went as far as trusting them on the Cherohala Skyway in November two years ago in the icy peaks.

In September last year, I bought the Continental Extreme Contact 02s and did so based on reports from friends running the Cannonball OLOA events where they have to run an entire week of driving and tracks across America on one set of tires... noting their incredible wet traction and even wear. I mounted them on my stock ZLE wheels as my "Rain Tires" for a planned trackday at VIR, which ended up being dry... but finally got the chance at Road Atlanta last November. It was a cold & chilly morning with fog and a torrential downpour but the sessions were open, so a tap on Track Mode with a double-tap of the TC button and I was in WET-Mode. I was SHOCKED at the amount of traction these tires have! I was actually driving like my Ram 3500 Dually and AIMING for the standing water on the edges of the curbing in the Esses between turns 4 & 5, at speed while accelerating making river of water crossing from the elevation splash out to the grass on driver's left! This was one of those times when you giggle out loud, because you really SHOULD not be playing in the rain in a ZLE at speed and doing "Truck Stuff" like you are aiming for the puddles by the Bus Stop!!

After a few laps my confidence was high enough and I was "convinced" there was a "line" drier than the rest, so I switched from "Wet Mode" to Dry... and was immediately told by my Garmin Catalyst, that was a bad idea as I lost 2-4 seconds per sector! So back to Wet Mode it was... with confidence I could run 140+mph and netted a handful of sub-2 minute lap times in the rain! You will notice in the photos, the tires are wicking up all the water and displacing it here in turn-1. I was able to brake hard from 120+mph, set for the turn and FLAT FOOT the throttle through the entire turn up the hill with confidence! This is a slippery turn in the dry... where earlier in the year I spun my car here missing the wall by mere inches on SC3Rs that had not come up to temp enough, so yeah... a little PTSD here and now I am flat-footed in the WET!!

As the rain stopped and the track began to dry, I stayed on the Contis for two more sessions and changed to my SC3Rs after lunch on the warmer dry track. The Contis were amazing in the dry as well with a starting pressure of 28psi, they came in at 32-34psi and was only about 4-5 seconds off the pace of the SC3Rs. I never felt they were twitchy, but I simply was not pushing tires I did not wish to melt down to prove anything... the rain did that!

The following week, I mounted the Continentals back on the car, driving it from SC to Florida for Thanksgiving and Daytona for Turkey Rod Run... putting 1600 miles on them over the week with virtually no signs of wear at all. The Extreme Contact 02s have two wear icons, "DW" embedded into the tire. These are indicators for their "DRY" & "WET" zones on the tires. I have since logged another 2000 miles and both DW icons are on the tires.

I have also added a set of these tires to my daily, a lightweight all aluminum 2004 Jaguar XJR which makes 450whp... and the ride with the airbag replaced coil-overs is SO MUCH quieter with better grip!

thanks for nice writh up and info on the Continental Extreme Contact 02s

[puppykat33]

Originally Posted by arpad_m

This could be a whole another discussion, let's not hijack OP's thread, especially since he has a ZL1

lol

[puppykat33]

Originally Posted by Patriot Motorsports USA

I read what the OP asked for and then all the replies as well. Being that he is in Georgia, our temps here in Georgia and SC with the Contis are well within the range of far greater control than the PS4S tires. You already disagreed with the OP's desire for a RF tire, which I also agree with... they are too heavy and subject to more hydroplaning after many heat cycles, especially if run in Spring/Summer months. Being that it is March, and the chance for freezing temps seems to be behind us now, my cold 30-40 day rainy temps at Road Atlanta will fall in-line with the OP's desires for traction on the hit and through shifting gears.

Also note, the Contis are available for all 2SS and SS1LE sizes.

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/conti...ntact-sport-02

would RF really be that much different on the same tire?

[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by puppykat33

would RF really be that much different on the same tire?

Oh yeah.

"Runflat" means sidewalls hard as concrete, because each tire has to hold 1,000 lbs worth of car for tens of miles when tire pressure drops to zero. Okay, "concrete" is a bit of an exaggeration, but you get what I mean.

[puppykat33]

Originally Posted by arpad_m

Oh yeah.

"Runflat" means sidewalls hard as concrete, because each tire has to hold 1,000 lbs worth of car for tens of miles when tire pressure drops to zero. Okay, "concrete" is a bit of an exaggeration, but you get what I mean.

makes sense. never really considered it

[puppykat33]

Originally Posted by Broooster

I've run the Continental Extreme Contact DWS06's since I ditched the stock tires. Been caught in a number of storms, can safely say they do very well. They have seen some cold weather as well, and still ride nice. They also do very well in the twisty's, as I've seen over 1 Gs and they hold the road.

Thanks Broooster
everyone keeps recommending the Contis is this due to price over the AS Michelins or are they that much better in the wet n cold?

[Broooster]

Originally Posted by puppykat33

Thanks Broooster
everyone keeps recommending the Contis is this due to price over the AS Michelins or are they that much better in the wet n cold?

I never tried the Michelins, I had the Continental DWS06's on my Chevy SS, which was modified and putting down nice power. I pushed that car hard thru the twisty's, caught a few rain storms, car did really well.
When I picked up the ZL1, after getting caught in a light sprinkle, it was then that I decided the stock tires had to go and I went right to the DWS06's. I think I have about 21k miles on them and I'll buy another set when these are done. We travel often in it, its been in the rain, I've driven it when its cold, 20ish degrees, they just always have done me well.
Reviews on tirerack are also really good. Hope this helps.