[Devstrike]

Originally Posted by arpad_m

You can almost make your usual point sound like GM didn't make a healthy amount of money on the 6th gen Sure, they could've made even more if those Ford or Dodge buyers had converted, but the Camaro wasn't some kind of charity donation to us from GM.

BTW I just bought the 3rd non-GM vehicle since they made it clear they don't give a crap about us customers. Before and until the Camaro, we were a 100% GM family. I wonder which, if any, of their stats this behavior change (that I'm sure many of their buyers are exhibiting) and the associated revenue loss shows up in.

My wife drives a Subaru and with us pretty much being debt free I am actually looking at all the options out there for another fun car to have along side my Camaro in the next year or two give or take. GM is not in any of the option considerations for me as well. Of course I was never brand loyal but I also say it is the job of the Manufacturer to make the car I want to buy and right now GM is not doing that.

[Texas1ss]

Interesting article from 2025 about GM from Forbes that dives into GM killing it in sales and profits, and even dives into EV stats.

But it is Forbes, and it's probably "fake news."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/greatsp...profit-growth/

That posted, I don't see any financial incentive to GM for another Camaro. It's a niche product catering to enthusiasts mostly. They have the Corvette to pull that revenue in from people who like V8s and sports cars.

And most, but not all, see a Camaro EV as sacrilege. I've gone back and forth on it, but they would have to really kill it with an EV for me to even consider it. The whole point, at least for me, is the sound of that V8.

But that's my generation. Future generations, honestly, won't know what they've missed since EVs are growing exponentially around the world, and even in the U.S. to a much smaller degree. It's just a matter of time before they take over. Will I see it in my lifetime? I doubt it. My grandkids, I'd bet good money on it. At that point, or maybe even sooner, an EV Camaro could be a success. Right now, I don't see no way in hell for it to succeed.

[Devstrike]

I don't consider Forbes fake news and my comments I said in this thread is on a personal level which to me does not mean on a majority level. I am sure Gm is doing great in sales and profits doesn't mean they have a car I want to buy. I have also agreed before in saying there will not be another Camaro for a long time.

[Texas1ss]

Originally Posted by Devstrike

I don't consider Forbes fake news and my comments I said in this thread is on a personal level which to me does not mean on a majority level. I am sure Gm is doing great in sales and profits doesn't mean they have a car I want to buy. I have also agreed before in saying there will not be another Camaro for a long time.

My post wasn't directed at you. It's more of a general observation, backed up with data from somebody that knows a lot more than me, which I posted because of a lot of other things I've seen about GM on these boards and their imminent demise for going "woke." That's far from the case.

That said, I'm with you, at least as far as the Camaro goes. But I did buy a 2025 Chevrolet Trax Activ for around 27k. Great little SUV they're moving like crazy.

Companies just go where the profit is, which I don't blame them, and the Camaro unfortunately didn't deliver, which sucks, but it is what it is. Time will tell if a Camaro EV will deliver. Doubtful, but it might. Will be interesting to see what happens.

[Number 3]

So you quit buying GM cars because they quit making the Camaro?

And I have no idea if the Camaro was profitable or not. My guess is the planning volume was about 80,000 units which would mean it failed miserably. But a lot goes into whether a car is actually profitable or not and as we don’t no the contribution margin it’s really hard to say. My guess is if it were remotely profitable at 25,000 units it would still be in production. And it’s not.

[Devstrike]

Originally Posted by Number 3

So you quit buying GM cars because they quit making the Camaro?

If they do come out with another car that interests me then GM will be back on the radar. Right now they just don't have anything I want like the other companies do right now. It does not specifically need to be a Camaro.

[Annihilate]

The only other vehicle I am interested under the GM Umbrella would be a Cadillac CT5 Twin Turbo V6.

But I haven't heard great things about their long term reliability. I'm still a few years off of getting another vehicle as I have an 08 Impala thats been hanging on (225000 miles with original engine). However I have been peaking around the market to see if anything piques my interest.

My biggest thing is I need it to be reasonably serviceable as a DIY guy. I like working on my own cars, I trust myself over other people, and I feel like I shouldn't need thousands in computer equipment to work on it. So I may end up with something from 2010 to 2020ish. We will see.

The only way that they could MAYBE get me to look twice at an EV Camaro, is if they did some 3rd gen (Read 80's retro futurism) styling convincingly. But even then, I have not had any urge to purchase an EV of any kind.

[FlukeSS]

Originally Posted by Number 3

You missed the fact that the Gen6 Camaro was the biggest cater to Camaro owners maybe ever. GM did not design that car with broad appeal, it was designed for Camaro owners. The problem is there just weren’t enough Camaro owners that wanted another Camaro to make it viable. When developing the car, they didn’t go ask Mustang owners what it would take to get them to buy a Camaro, they went to Camaro owners and fans and asked them. What we got was the best Camaro ever……….that didn’t sell very well.

With GM's trackrecord for transmission problems, and failure to honor warranties, and safety standards.... Its no wonder no one wants another camaro.

You can put me on that list as well.

This car is going to the grave with me assuming it doesn't put me there first because of ****ing recalls.

[GreenZLE]

Originally Posted by Devstrike

If they do come out with another car that interests me then GM will be back on the radar. Right now they just don't have anything I want like the other companies do right now. It does not specifically need to be a Camaro.

I'm right there with you! GM has eliminated everything I wanted to buy. I settled for an Equinox 2 years ago which I use for work but I dont like it because its way under powered. I wanted to buy a new 2024 ZL1-1LE but couldnt find an allocation like many others.
No sedans, no Camaro, and now I cant even buy another Acadia with a V6. 4 cyl. is the only option and thats a no go for me! I will never buy another 4 cylinder. I suppose I could buy a truck when the Equinox gets too many miles as long as its a V8, but I dont really want a vehicle that big.
What I really want is a 4 door sedan. Guess it might have to be a BMW.

[Mark20242SS]

from google, it says gen 6 camaros had 10.5 billion in sales.
no info on profit margin though, but gm makes an average of 10K profit per vehicle, that is on all gm vehicles averaged.
so camaro probably still made gm a good profit, but declining sales probably made them cancel it for now.
says gen 6 went for higher price and less volume compared to gen 5 lower price and higher volume.
sure hope gm brings it back using the next gen small blocks.
wonder if the lansing factory still has space for production of a next gen camaro if they would bring it back, all they are going to have there is the CT5 since the CT4 is going away too.

[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by Number 3

So you quit buying GM cars because they quit making the Camaro?

No.

I quit buying GM because I won't support companies that noticeably don't give a shit and nickel and dime us so brazenly. Every manufacturer does it to some extent, I'm not blind, but their levels are quite different.

Also, if I look beyond the Camaro, the Corvette and the CT4-V/CT5-V, I see nothing appealing in their lineups, be it trucks or SUVs or sedans that we actually need day-to-day. This is 100% my personal take and I'm not calling for a boycott or anything.

Originally Posted by Number 3

And I have no idea if the Camaro was profitable or not. My guess is the planning volume was about 80,000 units which would mean it failed miserably. But a lot goes into whether a car is actually profitable or not and as we don’t no the contribution margin it’s really hard to say. My guess is if it were remotely profitable at 25,000 units it would still be in production. And it’s not.

You are more in the know about profitability, but the Camaro reused its entire platform architecture, its powertrains and a metric ton of parts and designs from other GM vehicles, plus it wasn't updated after 2019, so it's hard to imagine that it would have required an (absolutely outstanding) 80K annual sales volume to break even...

[Devstrike]

Originally Posted by GreenZLE

I'm right there with you! GM has eliminated everything I wanted to buy. I settled for an Equinox 2 years ago which I use for work but I dont like it because its way under powered. I wanted to buy a new 2024 ZL1-1LE but couldnt find an allocation like many others.
No sedans, no Camaro, and now I cant even buy another Acadia with a V6. 4 cyl. is the only option and thats a no go for me! I will never buy another 4 cylinder. I suppose I could buy a truck when the Equinox gets too many miles as long as its a V8, but I dont really want a vehicle that big.
What I really want is a 4 door sedan. Guess it might have to be a BMW.

Dodge Charger (Not EV), Mustang, BMW are my top ones and I am preferably looking for Coupes. THose are not the only three but the Supra I heard is going away soon which is a BMW anyway but I am mostly predicting those three are the top three I will choose to get a car from. The Dodge Charger has a four door option non EV if that is something you are interested in too. But in a couple years give or take my Camaro will not be the only performance car I will have. I started researching now since it took me over a year to finally decide on my current Car when I was in the market back in early 2020.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by GreenZLE

I'm right there with you! GM has eliminated everything I wanted to buy. I settled for an Equinox 2 years ago which I use for work but I dont like it because its way under powered. I wanted to buy a new 2024 ZL1-1LE but couldnt find an allocation like many others.
No sedans, no Camaro, and now I cant even buy another Acadia with a V6. 4 cyl. is the only option and thats a no go for me! I will never buy another 4 cylinder. I suppose I could buy a truck when the Equinox gets too many miles as long as its a V8, but I dont really want a vehicle that big.
What I really want is a 4 door sedan. Guess it might have to be a BMW.

It won’t help but I’ve had a lot of turbo 4 cylinders over the last few years. Hard to say where they would be at 200,000 miles but all have been good at the intended us3 of the vehicle. We have 2 4 cylinder turbos innth3 garage right now and V6 vs L4T is a non issue.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by Mark20242SS

from google, it says gen 6 camaros had 10.5 billion in sales.
no info on profit margin though, but gm makes an average of 10K profit per vehicle, that is on all gm vehicles averaged.
so camaro probably still made gm a good profit, but declining sales probably made them cancel it for now.
says gen 6 went for higher price and less volume compared to gen 5 lower price and higher volume.
sure hope gm brings it back using the next gen small blocks.
wonder if the lansing factory still has space for production of a next gen camaro if they would bring it back, all they are going to have there is the CT5 since the CT4 is going away too.

I remember a few years ago seeing the list of vehicles that were profitable for GM and there were only 6 on that list. The only cars were DTS, Corvette and Impala. Pickups and FSSUVs carried the weight. That’s wh6 GM went bankrupt. FST and SUV sales tanked and there just wasn’t enough cash flow t9 pay the bills. Camaro was not in production at that time, but it wasn’t profitable in 2001.