[Number 3]

Nothing really new but if at least indicates the conversation continues on a next generation Camaro.

Will trigger a few but note his comment on the Mach E having outsold the Mustang……which I interpret as the Mustang is selling so bad that it has UNDER sold the Mach E.

https://gmauthority.com/blog/2025/07...xt-gen-camaro/

[NovaSS4spdFan]

Reuss seems red hot to do a hybrid Camaro because he's a corporate guy and believes a compromise will please most everyone. And he's aware that an EV Camaro would be a dud.
To the notion of making it a hybrid, I say NO THANK YOU.
I've been around Camaros since 1967 and as we all know many owners like to mod them. To the best of my knowledge, one would have a hell of a time modifying an internal combustion engine that would operate in sync with an electric motor.

[RIPws6]

There’s alot of Mach E’s sitting on lots right now and they have a recall problem.
They are horrible at maintaining value. The 3 year old Mach E depreciation rate is 46%!
No thanks. I’d stay away from that biz model.

[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by NovaSS4spdFan

Reuss seems red hot to do a hybrid Camaro because he's a corporate guy and believes a compromise will please most everyone. And he's aware that an EV Camaro would be a dud.
To the notion of making it a hybrid, I say NO THANK YOU.
I've been around Camaros since 1967 and as we all know many owners like to mod them. To the best of my knowledge, one would have a hell of a time modifying an internal combustion engine that would operate in sync with an electric motor.

I may sound like a heretic, but I see nothing wrong with two nice and small electric motors on the front wheels just to help launch the car and accelerate at wide open throttle in 1st and 2nd, which is impossible on a RWD platform given current horsepower levels that the public desires (800-1000 hp).

If the powertrain fusion software is half decent, it will automatically adapt to any ICE power mods, too.

[Bad Anvil Garage]

Reuss has to have seen the endless ridicule the EV Challenger has been getting. No way they do an electric Camaro. Maybe hybrid, but then it'll be too expensive for a new generation and maybe lose the enthusiasts with a design that goes away from the true Camaro look and feel. I just don't see it happening. Nobody wants cars any more. Unless the damned crossover SUV craze dies off, there will be no new Camaro worth it's salt.

[ember1205]

Originally Posted by arpad_m

If the powertrain fusion software is half decent

Given the track record GM has with their software development, half decent is a pie-in-the-sky dream that will never materialize.

[cdb95z28]

Originally Posted by ember1205

Given the track record GM has with their software development, half decent is a pie-in-the-sky dream that will never materialize.

Mmm, E-Ray?

If we are to believe the buzz over the E-Ray and it's excellent acceleration and track dynamics, a Gen7 Camaro with a healthy V8 and front wheel electric motors/hybrid set up similar to an E-Ray may earn some traction with enthusiasts, no pun intended!

[ember1205]

Originally Posted by cdb95z28

Mmm, E-Ray?

If we are to believe the buzz over the E-Ray and it's excellent acceleration and track dynamics, a Gen7 Camaro with a healthy V8 and front wheel electric motors/hybrid set up similar to an E-Ray may earn some traction with enthusiasts, no pun intended!

Not sure what this has to do with my comment which is only focused on the absolute GARBAGE quality of GM software...

[cdb95z28]

Originally Posted by ember1205

Not sure what this has to do with my comment which is only focused on the absolute GARBAGE quality of GM software...

You replied to arpad's powertrain integration software comment, for which the E-Ray's software was done very well.

[ember1205]

Originally Posted by cdb95z28

You replied to arpad's powertrain integration software comment, for which the E-Ray's software was done very well.

But the comment was about -GM's- software that they would need to develop.

[DeuceCam]

It would be a big challenge to get the front wheels electrically powered with an ICE engine in the front.

I'd prefer it stay an FR V8 car, and that they offer a trim level with the LT6 screamer.

[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by DeuceCam

It would be a big challenge to get the front wheels electrically powered with an ICE engine in the front.

I'd prefer it stay an FR V8 car, and that they offer a trim level with the LT6 screamer.

Yeah, I thought about that, it'll worsen the already borderline acceptable weight ratio (56:44), unless you stow the batteries as close to the rear end as possible.

All this adds extra weight of course, which we also hate, but this "semi-AWD" setup would be able to put down more power, so there's that.

I wish none of this was necessary, but with a front engine RWD setup, you simply can't stretch things any further. Tire technology hasn't kept up with today's crazy powertrain numbers, so you need 4 driven surfaces, 2 isn't enough, because there is no weight in the rear, and you need insane initial grip for a good launch with proper weight transfer, a chicken and egg problem.

That's probably one of the reasons the Corvette had its engine moved behind the driver, the C7 ZR1 was the absolute end of the road for them (and it only had 750 hp, which is nothing these days, even my "little street fun" Camaro has that much).

[N Camarolina]

Originally Posted by arpad_m

Yeah, I thought about that, it'll worsen the already borderline acceptable weight ratio (56:44), unless you stow the batteries as close to the rear end as possible.

All this adds extra weight of course, which we also hate, but this "semi-AWD" setup would be able to put down more power, so there's that.

I wish none of this was necessary, but with a front engine RWD setup, you simply can't stretch things any further. Tire technology hasn't kept up with today's crazy powertrain numbers, so you need 4 driven surfaces, 2 isn't enough, because there is no weight in the rear, and you need insane initial grip for a good launch with proper weight transfer, a chicken and egg problem.

That's probably one of the reasons the Corvette had its engine moved behind the driver, the C7 ZR1 was the absolute end of the road for them (and it only had 750 hp, which is nothing these days, even my "little street fun" Camaro has that much).

I realize it's easy to get into "engineering mode" and devise solutions to problems, but let me play devil's advocate here for a minute and argue that market target population for what you are proposing (tons of power with the ability to put it down AND the will to use it) is really quite small:

Is the population at large demanding 1000HP? I don't think so. This is the same population that currently enjoys SUVs and cross-overs so much that it's cannibalized the sedan and sports car market.

Is the "sporty" car enthusiast subgroup demanding 1000HP? I doubt it. This group is likely pretty happy with a FWD high powered 4 banger, maybe with a turbo.

Is the "high performance" car enthusiast demanding 1000HP? Maybe, but probably only a small subgroup of them. Some will be perfectly happy with 400+ HP and 4 to 5 sec 0-60 times, while others just want to brag that they own a car that can accelerate faster than that even though they rarely if ever take advantage of the capability (many corvette owners, etc). Our LT1 engined G6s get us to triple digits plenty fast, though I'd concede the acceleration rate starts falling off some once you are north of 125. Even for the poser market that currently buys Z06 and E-ray, I really doubt GM would introduce a G7 Camaro to compete because it would cannibalize Corvette sales.

Having 1000+ horsepower, even if you can put it to full use on pavement, means that you'll be reaching "arrest me" speeds in no-time flat. Most owners won't live near a place where they can do that safely and without threat of police nearby. And even if you could, on public roads many will get to their own "human imposed cut-off speed" so fast you barely have time to enjoy the acceleration.

GM's sales model seems to be to offer a lot of value in their cars, and to make their profit through reasonably high volume. I thank my lucky stars that they produced the G6, but I don't see them being able to offer what you propose at low enough price and with a big enough buyer pool to make the required profit.

[ItsChristianInHD]

Originally Posted by RIPws6

There’s alot of Mach E’s sitting on lots right now and they have a recall problem.
They are horrible at maintaining value. The 3 year old Mach E depreciation rate is 46%!
No thanks. I’d stay away from that biz model.

Not to mention you can get a Mach E for 199 a month on lease. You aint even touching that on a EcoBoost or GT Mustang.

People try to say "oh mustang is dying" because Ford is smoking quack with their prices, lol.