[wr00]

I'm trying to figure out where to focus next for the Camaro.

Current build -
'16 2SS M6
Whipple 3.0L (4" upper)
DSX FF Sensor
RotoFab CAI
LT4 Fuel System
TSP LT Headers
MBRP Header-Back
BMR Driveshaft Loop (ordered)
A few other unimportant things.

The next "big" step I would "like" to take is a lower CR piston/rod combo, CNC ported heads, camshaft + valvetrain, and (likely needed for E) port injection runners for the Whipple. However, I would like to do that all at once and it isn't in the current budget.


Thoughts?

[bishopts]

What are your plans with the car?
Drag racing?
Autocross?
Posting videos of running from the cops?
Adding parts until you have got all of barbies wardrobe?

Upgrading a car is finding the weak link and making it better. But to determine what is the next weakest link, you have to have a purpose behind the build.
If you feel you need to just keep buying anything offered for the platform, you might think of buying a Jeep. You will fit right in with those guys.

[wr00]

Originally Posted by bishopts

.....
Adding parts until you have got all of barbies wardrobe?

....

Haha! Love it.

Honestly, it's just for fun. I have no real intent, maybe the strip here and there. I mostly enjoy the pursuit of performance for nothing more than the pursuit itself. If I had to put a target on the build direction, it would be street-strip focused. Externally, I aim for a mostly stock or factory-like appearance while wanting performance far beyond--I don't think a Jeep would be for me.

I know drivetrain is going to become a weak link sooner, rather than later--especially with the above intended upgrades.

[Joshinator99]

Originally Posted by wr00

Haha! Love it.

Honestly, it's just for fun. I have no real intent, maybe the strip here and there. I mostly enjoy the pursuit of performance for nothing more than the pursuit itself. If I had to put a target on the build direction, it would be street-strip focused. Externally, I aim for a mostly stock or factory-like appearance while wanting performance far beyond--I don't think a Jeep would be for me.

I know drivetrain is going to become a weak link sooner, rather than later--especially with the above intended upgrades.

Strip work will mean sticky tires, so you might want to get a drag pack for strip use.

Upping the boost will mean getting a better fuel system like big DI stuff (Katech or LPE) or port injection like TooHighPSI. Laynlo15 did THPSI port injection on his stock bottom end LT1 and got into the 9’s so that’s pretty dang impressive.

[wr00]

Originally Posted by Joshinator99

Strip work will mean sticky tires, so you might want to get a drag pack for strip use.

Upping the boost will mean getting a better fuel system like big DI stuff (Katech or LPE) or port injection like TooHighPSI. Laynlo15 did THPSI port injection on his stock bottom end LT1 and got into the 9’s so that’s pretty dang impressive.

Port injection is definitely on the list. I was looking at a Fore Innovations dual/triple pump when I do anything else power-wise--still TBD on the controller for it. Since Katech offers PI runners for the Whipple, it will probably be the route I go.


You did the 15" conversion on yours, right? I was thinking that would be my aim for a drag pack.

[bishopts]

You never really hear much about people running nitrous on these cars. Considering the gains you can get from e85 with high compression direct injection, i would think nitrous would be even better on these vs older design engines

[Joshinator99]

Originally Posted by wr00

Port injection is definitely on the list. I was looking at a Fore Innovations dual/triple pump when I do anything else power-wise--still TBD on the controller for it. Since Katech offers PI runners for the Whipple, it will probably be the route I go.


You did the 15" conversion on yours, right? I was thinking that would be my aim for a drag pack.

Yeah I did the 15” conversion but I hate it lol. Stay with the 17” combo unless you’re trying for 7’s. By the way, read my build thread about the Whipple port process. Not cut and dry unfortunately. I think I’m ok so far but Shipple is not supportive.

Originally Posted by bishopts

You never really hear much about people running nitrous on these cars. Considering the gains you can get from e85 with high compression direct injection, i would think nitrous would be even better on these vs older design engines

Nitrous spikes cylinder pressure and is very hard on parts. Too easy to make power on this platform without the hassle of nitrous.

[KingLT1]

Originally Posted by bishopts

You never really hear much about people running nitrous on these cars. Considering the gains you can get from e85 with high compression direct injection, i would think nitrous would be even better on these vs older design engines

That's because it's so easy to make consistent reliable power with boost. Nitrous made sense when you needed an engineering degree to do forced induction on some platforms. Especially those with ECM limitations. All the tables and sensors have been available to run forced induction on GM factory ECU's since gen 4 LS. So it's a no brainer for street cars. I can still see a case being made for running nitrous on a drag car.

[Smokin19]

My concern would be the drive train. The Zl1 as we know has beefer axles but, not sure if the driveshaft is different. Clutch and pressure plates? What power are you looking to obtain?

[wr00]

Originally Posted by Smokin19

My concern would be the drive train. The Zl1 as we know has beefer axles but, not sure if the driveshaft is different. Clutch and pressure plates? What power are you looking to obtain?

That has been my biggest concern (also why I ordered the DSL from BMR for now). I am not sure what exactly the limit of the M6 is (varying from person to person), but I would assume stepping over ~700 to the wheels is going to at least warrant a better clutch. This is assuming traction is actually present

The main purpose behind making this thread is to get some ideas from the masses of things that have been mentioned here that quickly become concerns as power rises. As @bishopts post points out, its easy to throw parts at a car just because they look pretty - AutoZone has an entire isle for that (the 'pretty' part is quite subjective).

Now, to be fair, I am not sure how far I am going to take this build. I doubt I will go as far as @Joshinator99 has, as I am also building a '67 with the intent of going HEAVILY strip focused with a splash of "I guess I *could* drive this on the street." For a target end-goal, I guess mid 900s to the wheels would be the aim long term. However, I don't see that happening in the near future. Also, as many others here can attest, the desire keeps burning after achieving goals.....

[clg82]

Originally Posted by wr00

Port injection is definitely on the list.

I wouldn't sleep on the DSX Atlas goodies Dave has coming out. Although I may be biased