[FlukeSS]

Originally Posted by Megahurtz

Stock long block is engine builder lingo and indeed means stock crankshaft, stock rods, stock pistons, stock heads and valves.

Typically it excludes the cam, lifters, and springs since they are usually talking about the rotating assembly(short block) and stock head castings(unported).

So while you're not wrong, you were probably trashed because you didn't realize this nuance. Also, another reason I don't participate in social media. It's useless drama and mental stress. Literally, you're worried about a bunch of people on Facebook and its so in your head you posted on here about it.

I think this world would be a better place without social media all together. It's caused so many people to lack communication skills and how to actually interact with other human beings.

Wait, does that mean I'm not stock? Cuz like it wasn't my fault my stock rods and crankshaft shattered under a measily 50 hp gain with daily mods! But But, I still have stock heads, valves, and pistons, does that not count for something!

[bootss]

Someone at cars and coffee asked me what mods I had and I said nothing. He replied "Just a CAI and heads?"

Dude, car is unmodified totally stock.

He was looking at me like I had 2 heads.

If I don't sell it first, i'll redo the engine when my son is of age to enjoy it. until then I have no need to mod the car.

[KingLT1]

Brett stated dead stock LT4 long block with a cam. So, he meant the heads, block, crank, rods are stock LT4, but it has his cam package. He wasn't claiming it as a bone stock engine. Just meant that it wasn't built with aftermarket stuff. Probably should have just said cam only LT4.


Either way you will save yourself a lot of headaches by staying out of the comments section on those pages.

[arpad_m]

Such discussions are almost hopeless with people trying to move the goalposts. Any change under the hood (even a non-OEM air filter element), the car is no longer bone stock, period.

[KingLT1]

No dog in this hunt but here is a screen shot of his post. I took it as Bret saying it's a stock long block LT4 with a cam, Maggie, and port upgrade.

[FlukeSS]

Originally Posted by KingLT1

No dog in this hunt but here is a screen shot of his post. I took it as Bret saying it's a stock long block LT4 with a cam, Maggie, and port upgrade.

Dead Stock LT4 longblock with a Stage 2 Boost cam on a non stock Super Charger. And further has fueling issues such that it needed Port Injection and still on a non stock tune.

Translated:

No stock tune

No stock direct injection system

No stock boost numbers

No stock Super Charger

No Stock Camshaft

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it's still a duck.

If you say so Brett and Justin.

I wonder if Brett and Justin know what Bolt-on means?

I guess that means I am a top to bottom Stock LT1 myself by that logic. I mean everything I have is bolt on which makes my car stock.

[KingLT1]

Not trying to argue, but I do not believe Brett was implying the car was bone stock. He was saying that his stock long block builds outperform a lot of 416ci builds. Saying "dead stock long block LT4" simply means the heads, crank, rods, and block are stock components...nothing else.

[Megahurtz]

^^ this

[FlukeSS]

Originally Posted by KingLT1

Not trying to argue, but I do not believe Brett was implying the car was bone stock. He was saying that his stock long block builds outperform a lot of 416ci builds. Saying "dead stock long block LT4" simply means the heads, crank, rods, and block are stock components...nothing else.

Either way he's not stock, he has bolt ons.

Rather the block has bolt ons or not... Is semantically an invalid argument.

Cams are bolt ons

As is the non stock Maggie Supercharger.

As is the aftermarket port injection system.

By all intent and purpose a Tuned & Bolt-On car is a modified car and not considered stock by MOST of the automotive world.

Otherwise we'd still retain our warranties.

Not trying to argue for the sake of argument, but people splitting hairs is just nonsensical to me. I often joke with the phrase, "Statements are black and white, and gray when they suit themselves." It means the only time the argument becomes a gray area is when someone changes the narrative to fit their definition. But logic is much more simple than that. 1 or 0, On or Off, Yes, or No, Black or White. There is no gray area in logical thinking.

[Dynamical]

"Taking all bets that the engine is a bone stock long block other than a camshaft."

"This car has a dead stock LT4 long block with my STG2 boost cam and an 8 rib Maggi."

Those were the first two opening statements by Justin and Brett which makes it obvious nobody was claiming stock in the first place.

Context is very important here bros

Later

[m6-lt1]

Originally Posted by FlukeSS

Either way he's not stock, he has bolt ons.

Rather the block has bolt ons or not... Is semantically an invalid argument.

Cams are bolt ons

As is the non stock Maggie Supercharger.

As is the aftermarket port injection system.

By all intent and purpose a Tuned & Bolt-On car is a modified car and not considered stock by MOST of the automotive world.

Otherwise we'd still retain our warranties.

Not trying to argue for the sake of argument, but people splitting hairs is just nonsensical to me. I often joke with the phrase, "Statements are black and white, and gray when they suit themselves." It means the only time the argument becomes a gray area is when someone changes the narrative to fit their definition. But logic is much more simple than that. 1 or 0, On or Off, Yes, or No, Black or White. There is no gray area in logical thinking.

If you’re gonna die on this hill then at least know that people do not consider a cam as a “bolt on”. If it goes inside the motor in general it is not considered a bolt on.

I used to feel the same way as you about what “stock meant”. After being on these boards and other groups for awhile I have learned what King and megahurts are saying tends to be the norm. That being said personally if I was Brett I would have said SBE instead of what he said. Not that what he said is wrong but if he stated sbe I doubt anyone would have argued with him (actually they probably still would since apparently he made more power than usual).

[FlukeSS]

Originally Posted by m6-lt1

If it goes inside the motor in general it is not considered a bolt on.

Then if it goes inside the Long Block its not a stock Long block either.

Originally Posted by Dynamical

"Taking all bets that the engine is a bone stock long block other than a camshaft."

"This car has a dead stock LT4 long block with my STG2 boost cam and an 8 rib Maggi."

Those were the first two opening statements by Justin and Brett which makes it obvious nobody was claiming stock in the first place.

Context is very important here bros

Later

You are right context does matter based on what M6 just said. Its a modified LT4 Long Block with aftermarket bolt ons and aftermarket tune.

Is it modified from stock? Yes or No?

A camshaft is considered part of the "Long Block" of an engine, as the long block includes the components of the short block (like the crankshaft and pistons) plus additional parts like the cylinder head and camshaft; essentially, the long block is a more complete engine assembly compared to the short block.
Key points:
Short Block: Contains the engine block, crankshaft, connecting rods, and pistons.
Long Block: Includes everything from the short block plus the cylinder heads, camshaft, valves, and sometimes the valve train.

M6 would be correct here in saying:

That being said personally if I was Brett I would have said SBE instead of what he said.

Black or White, there is no Gray logic involved here.

In fact with exception to bolt-ons listed in my signature, here's the actual build for my LT1 Long Block

Anything not listed here is stock and replacements listed here are OEM replacements not after market unless noted in build.

Based on Brett Logic I am 100% Dead Stock LT1 Long Block. Even my Injection system is still Direct Inejected as my cam doesn't require Port Injection to work. But if I ever go with a super charger I will need to upgrade my rods and pistons, and stock fuel system or risk popping the engine again.

So which is it? Am I on a stock LT1 Long Block or not?

[FarmerFran]

Age old discussion, for me it is simple

As it came from the factory.

[Megahurtz]

Why are we still talking about this?