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Craig
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Low Torque on Dyno Run
So I had the car dyno’d today just to get an idea the numbers it has a Roto Fab and Corsa Extreme+ Catback are the only 2 mods. I’m happy with the HP but the Torque seems like it’s low by 75-100
Car was in Touring Mode with TC off (single press) 4th gear pull on a 6speed ZL1 Could it be air in the S/C? Touring mode TCM limiting it? Spinning? Bad read on the clamp from dyno?
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Yeah, that horsepower number on a ZL1 is a bit exaggerated... he does have a point about the (midrange of the) torque curve, though.
The LT4 should have almost the same torque at 4000-4400 rpm as it has hp at 6400-6500 rpm, and both curves should have more of a bend than his graph shows, with both essentially linear and torque basically a flat line that feels "clamped" between 2500 and 5000 rpm.
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Those are not uncommon numbers for a manual car in STD. They tend to dyno higher than A10 stuff. I agree the torque is low, but without a data log it's hard to say. Maybe try a little VP octanium and see if the torque comes up. You might be getting KR through the peak torque area.
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I am not a dyno expert... but I agree those numbers are off. Your peak torque and peak HP should be very similar with your simple mods. Your torque does not look like wheel slip, I assume it is dyno issue. Like KING said, a data log would help eliminate any vehicle issues. Do you have HP Tuners? or a Banks iDash Data Monster?
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Here are a few of my old graphs for comparison.
First with Headers + E50 Second after H/C Last one is current minus the Big Gulp.
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Craig
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The car is going in for a pretty decent build so this was just me wanting a baseline, I agree a data log would’ve told us what was going on but it was just a open dyno day for people to quickly see some numbers. I just felt a little confused the torque being so low when I’ve seen stock cars putting down as high as 605/600 as seen on a RPM video. I was probably the 10th or so car to run so maybe a dyno issue, just was trying to get some input as this is my first dyno run experience with the ZL1.
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I've seen the same when my clutch was slipping. If you have a log of the dyno run (or any log of a WOT run), you can plot rpm vs speed and see if it's linear or not.
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My car is cammed with a 10% pulley and headers at 652 rwhp on a mustang dyno.
I dont know how its possible to get 60+ rwhp from an airfilter and catback. I would say the torque was the only correct graph.
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As I just posted...MANUAL cars using STD correction on a dynojet often dyno 570-580whp bone stock. using SAE correction that would be 560-570whp. A10's normally dyno 540-550whp SAE. Your car is reading low likely due to the dyno. A cam, pulley, headers car should make 700+ whp SAE on a DJ. What did it baseline before the mods?
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HAHA, Honestly, I think I need an low-side and Xport before i'll numbers to brag about... now my signature on other hand HAHA
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Ok, so I have consulted with some DynoJet experts, and they said the issue was that you didnt have, the GMS Stage.I cooling package. ![]() Use discount code CAMARO.6 for $100 off!!! www.griffin-motorsports.com
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