[jd2021]

Hello All,
So I know that you should usually do supporting mods before you put on a new power adder, but I'm wondering if there is any information or anecdote from anyone whose just done a whipple 3.0 and nothing else. I know these are fairly new blowers for the LT platform so I don't really expect that anyone's just put one on their car without modding it in some way first.

Whipple rates the kit at 775/735 crank on 93 which seems like pretty good gains, and you can get the ZL1 kit for 6.6k.

I know FBO/E85 is more cost effective, just curious about thoughts of just bolting on the Whipple?

[SOCAL.M6.ZLE]

If the end goal was 900+ HP, then I agree.

You can make 775 fly or 660rwhp for MUCH less than $6.6k

Depends on your long term goals.

If all you wanted was 660rwhp, you can get there for 1/2 that price.

[Joshinator99]

Originally Posted by jd2021

Hello All,
So I know that you should usually do supporting mods before you put on a new power adder, but I'm wondering if there is any information or anecdote from anyone whose just done a whipple 3.0 and nothing else. I know these are fairly new blowers for the LT platform so I don't really expect that anyone's just put one on their car without modding it in some way first.

Whipple rates the kit at 775/735 crank on 93 which seems like pretty good gains, and you can get the ZL1 kit for 6.6k.

I know FBO/E85 is more cost effective, just curious about thoughts of just bolting on the Whipple?

Whipple 3.0 has massively better cooling than the base LT4 blower. There is no drawback to just doing the Whipple as long as you don’t mind dropping the cash lol. But that blower is capable of much more, so you’ll be able to turn up the boost down the road if you add some supporting mods…aka fueling

[radz28]

Don't know if you're including porting the 1.7 in your FBO, but if not - that's an option, too. There are examples here of a race-ported 1.7 with mostly FBOs getting right to, and past 700 WHP. That's about equivalent to what Whipple quotes. And - as Josh' already pointed out, you don't get cooling improvements with the 1.7, so if that's a consideration, I think the Whipple is a contender, even with the big $$$. And - as Josh' pointed out - you have more headroom, if that's where you want to go.

I'm not sure about Whipple's canned tunes, but I would definitely look at some of the guys you see here, if nothing else. That will get you the most out of your combination, wherever you end up.

[jd2021]

Wheels/suspension/cooling are going to be my first set of mods for the car. After I get track time and can save up I plan to do fbo+e85+ cam, and then probably a blower. I've always wanted a big blower on a car and the new whipples seem to be great superchargers; wish magnuson had any update on the 3100 though because if that ever comes to it sounds like it would be a really cool blower. For me it's not so much about the power number itself, just wana do things to my dream car that I've always wanted to do. I know you dont need a bigger blower for my power goals either but again, just always wanted one haha. Definitely enjoying my ZL1 first though before I do anything; got it through carmax and have an extended warranty so hoping that if I beat on it and something goes it goes before I start breaking into the engine.

[jd2021]

Originally Posted by Joshinator99

Whipple 3.0 has massively better cooling than the base LT4 blower. There is no drawback to just doing the Whipple as long as you don’t mind dropping the cash lol. But that blower is capable of much more, so you’ll be able to turn up the boost down the road if you add some supporting mods…aka fueling

I know you're one of the first guys to hop on the 3.0 as well, followed a lot of your build threads. Do you happen to know how much bigger the whipple HX is compared to stock? I plan to get the PWR HX for my LT4, and was wondering if the PWR HX would also be sufficient for the whipple.

[Joshinator99]

Originally Posted by jd2021

I know you're one of the first guys to hop on the 3.0 as well, followed a lot of your build threads. Do you happen to know how much bigger the whipple HX is compared to stock? I plan to get the PWR HX for my LT4, and was wondering if the PWR HX would also be sufficient for the whipple.

Staggering difference…!

[jd2021]

Originally Posted by Joshinator99

Staggering difference…!

Sorry, used the wrong terminology. I think I meant the intercooler up front. Regardless, thanks for the pics though!

[Joshinator99]

Originally Posted by jd2021

Sorry, used the wrong terminology. I think I meant the intercooler up front. Regardless, thanks for the pics though!

The front intercooler is not as consequential since the mass of the water buys you some leeway during a 1/4 mile pull, although you want to upgrade those as well. It’s the brick sizing that really matters.

[JSH]

Originally Posted by Joshinator99

Whipple 3.0 has massively better cooling than the base LT4 blower. There is no drawback to just doing the Whipple as long as you don’t mind dropping the cash lol. But that blower is capable of much more, so you’ll be able to turn up the boost down the road if you add some supporting mods…aka fueling

How much would it help me?

[Joshinator99]

Originally Posted by JSH

How much would it help me?

Honestly, we don’t know the answer to that yet as no one has pushed one hard enough yet. But for what it’s worth, my car makes the same power as yours at a pretty low blower RPM and the cooling is still on point. As soon as I can get my hands on DSX port or maybe the Goliath HPFP, I’ll turn it up and see what it can really do.

If I were in your shoes I’d just meth your Eddie 2650 and push it a tick harder.

[JSH]

Originally Posted by Joshinator99

If I were in your shoes I’d just meth your Eddie 2650 and push it a tick harder.

This what we're discussing

[radz28]

Originally Posted by Joshinator99

The front intercooler is not as consequential since the mass of the water buys you some leeway during a 1/4 mile pull, although you want to upgrade those as well. It’s the brick sizing that really matters.

It doesn't really sound like there's getting around the better/bigger bricks, unless you do an interchiller or something, right? Or maybe a big@$$ trunk tank and ice.

It just feels like there's something not optimal with the 3100. When it was first announced, I was told I could actually do an upgrade (to an extent), and because I have a 3-piece blower case (newer ones are 1-piece), I would only have to swap the rotor housing and upgrade to 1" intercooler lines, and transfer everything else over. It seems like the 3100 has stalled - maybe because it's just not making the power improvements that were expected.

You haven't really mentioned 2650s - only Whipple 3.0s, so I'll keep comments around that

[Joshinator99]

Originally Posted by radz28

It doesn't really sound like there's getting around the better/bigger bricks, unless you do an interchiller or something, right? Or maybe a big@$$ trunk tank and ice.

It just feels like there's something not optimal with the 3100. When it was first announced, I was told I could actually do an upgrade (to an extent), and because I have a 3-piece blower case (newer ones are 1-piece), I would only have to swap the rotor housing and upgrade to 1" intercooler lines, and transfer everything else over. It seems like the 3100 has stalled - maybe because it's just not making the power improvements that were expected.

You haven't really mentioned 2650s - only Whipple 3.0s, so I'll keep comments around that

Even an ice tank is no band aid for an inefficient blower and/or bricks. When I really pushed my Whipple 2.9 the heat soared, and even though the bricks on that blower aren’t bad, even the huge ice tank I had was barely enough to keep IATs reasonable. It’s all about getting the blower in it’s efficiency curve matched with bricks that can remove enough heat to keep things happy.

This will be controversial for some so I’ll zip up my flame suit LOL… but I believe the Whipple 3.0 to be more efficient than the Maggie 2650 so far. Most comparisons show them making similar power (700-1000 WHP comparisons) but with the Whipple being able to spin a solid 10% slower…which makes sense since the Whipple 3.0 is 10% bigger. So the BIG question is: what will happen if the 3.0 is pushed HARD, like Jason’s car. And until someone does, his Maggie 2650 is king of the hill. But we can have fun chasing him…maybe not my bank account so much though!