04-30-2024, 01:54 AM | #15 |
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I'm at 23k miles now, it's why I'm not doing anything to the car until my 6-year/100k mile CPO Powertrain warranty is up
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04-30-2024, 05:48 AM | #16 | |
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04-30-2024, 12:11 PM | #17 |
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I posted descriptions of the AFM system in detail in this thread: https://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=617893
There is not a consensus that having a manual or having a range module saves you from lifter failures. Wherever you go online (this forum, Reddit, FB, etc) you will find folks stating that lifter failures occur due to the lifter design and have occurred on manuals and AT with Range modules installed. I've looked for more conclusive information on details surrounding failures (oil type used, mileage, was it downshifting, was it transitioning from V4-V8, etc.) but haven't seen much info.
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05-01-2024, 10:34 AM | #18 |
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136k miles here. No issues
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05-01-2024, 10:39 AM | #19 |
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AFM/DFM have caused issues since 2008. It's for emissions. If it weren't for that, these engines would continue to be as rock solid as the ones still running like a top today. You cannot kill a cateye 5.3 especially, they'll outlive the vehicle themselves.
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05-01-2024, 10:55 AM | #20 | |
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The problem is the lifters, not the AFM system. From everything I read on it, the AFM system can cause premature failure, but is certainly not the only cause. Don't think that because you have a manual or a range device that you are now immune to having lifter failure.
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05-01-2024, 04:26 PM | #21 | |
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This is the only guaranteed solution. Everything else is hopes and dreams. My 19 Z06 runs out of powertrain warranty later this year. It’s headed to Katech for heads, lifters etc. My 16 Z51 was a 7 speed manual. Don’t kid yourself, not an auto-only issue. I picked up that car with 3 miles on the clock. That car had never been in V4 mode, ever. At 7,200 miles, bank 7 lifters failed. Scored the cam. GM fixed it under warranty, but dumping the factory garbage is the only right answer
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05-01-2024, 06:45 PM | #23 | |
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Another factor is 5W-30 vs 0W-40 Supercar. The engineers made that change for a reason and it wasn't saving money. I've seen discussion where the engineers stated they always wanted it but it took years to get through paperwork and legal. Folks with Camaros still argue that oil is oil and the Engineer's don't know what they are talking about, it's all about money, etc. I get that a $120-$150 oil change every 5,000 miles isn't cheap, but it's cheaper than owning an exotic car.
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05-01-2024, 08:31 PM | #24 | |
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Same oil & filter part number for 0w-40 used all times
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05-01-2024, 08:44 PM | #25 |
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It would have been hilarious if someone brought their own cam/lifter kit plus all their tools and Jack the day they picked up their new Camaro then change the kit out right there in the parking lot before driving it home.
The thought actually crossed my mind.
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For what it's worth, even the afm cam and lifters, by and large, are more reliable than any .600 + lift aftermarket setup. There is maintenance associated with those, which is fine if you're aware and prepared to deal with it. I'll guarantee you the aftermarket setup is not going to go 150 - 200k miles without attention. The oem parts usually will.
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The failure rates are nowhere near as bad as when GM first kicked off this DOD bullshit, but again, the only real remedy is removing the cancer altogether.
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