[FactoryMatt]

Great car just hate that clutch feel and the tranny is somehow notchier than a tremec rated for 1000ftlb

[Vtor_ZL1]

The GR86 in stock form is kinda meh.


It's one of those cars that is a *really* blank canvas. It needs camber most of all to be true sporty car and after while, you realize it's the most anemic exhaust note ever on sporty car, so you fix that.



All that come in just shy of $1K.. so not bad way to go. Decent wheels n tires can be had for another $1K. It really does add up, but that's just shy of cost of just tires on the Camaro.

It's a REALLY tail happy car - be ready for it to go sideways when you just want mild slide.


Ts version supposedly fixed the brakes (brembos all around), but it's really just good set of pads away from fun track car.


I'm enjoying mine. No track time yet, just half dozen autox events. 5,000 miles so far.


Note on manual transmission. 1-2 may as well fax that in, it requires patience or be met with GRRRRind. I swapped out fluid for Motul 300, supposedly makes it better, haven't driven it much since change, so we'll find out tomorrow w autocross season opener. It has too much rear bar, so it pick up inside rear and makes LSD useless. Really needs sifter front bar or softer rear bar to get ass end to stay DOWN! Fairly stiff springs, almost feels like the ZL1 1LE on highway. Dash protrudes as you get in, so expect to smash you knee.. often.

[DaveC113]

I really hope Toyota puts the T3 from the GR Corolla in the 86, if they do I may buy one, but otoh I have no plans to sell my Camaro... I've heard a few people that seem more certain of it, Misha Charoudin (from the YT Nurburgring channel) mentioned it on one of his vids recently.

[Malbjey]

Toyota is supposedly working on a new MR2, which will be using the turbo 3 from the GR Corolla as well. If that car comes to fruition I'd be surprised if they shove the turbo 3 in the GR86 as well.

[khcoaching]

If anyone is interested......

[genxer]

Originally Posted by Vtor_ZL1

The GR86 in stock form is kinda meh.


It's one of those cars that is a *really* blank canvas. It needs camber most of all to be true sporty car and after while, you realize it's the most anemic exhaust note ever on sporty car, so you fix that.



All that come in just shy of $1K.. so not bad way to go. Decent wheels n tires can be had for another $1K. It really does add up, but that's just shy of cost of just tires on the Camaro.

It's a REALLY tail happy car - be ready for it to go sideways when you just want mild slide.


Ts version supposedly fixed the brakes (brembos all around), but it's really just good set of pads away from fun track car.


I'm enjoying mine. No track time yet, just half dozen autox events. 5,000 miles so far.


Note on manual transmission. 1-2 may as well fax that in, it requires patience or be met with GRRRRind. I swapped out fluid for Motul 300, supposedly makes it better, haven't driven it much since change, so we'll find out tomorrow w autocross season opener. It has too much rear bar, so it pick up inside rear and makes LSD useless. Really needs sifter front bar or softer rear bar to get ass end to stay DOWN! Fairly stiff springs, almost feels like the ZL1 1LE on highway. Dash protrudes as you get in, so expect to smash you knee.. often.

Making the sound of that exhaust decent may not be easy.

My brother has a 1st gen BRZ. Tried a couple different exhausts and unequal headers, didn't help. The older 2.5L Subies sound better, (besides the turbo). He currently also has the previous gen N-line hatch as his daily, he didn't care for the newer Elantra styling. (i30N without the drivetrain. From the passenger side, it's a typical car)

[s346k]

i don't have any issues with the manual trans in mine. it is very smooth driving normally and has no issues when banging gears. i installed a billetworkz shifter a couple weeks ago. it still isn't what id call notchy but very crisp and throws are noticeably shorter. dragy looks like an auto car.

confession: the first pull i made from a dead stop i habitually no lifted 1-4. certainly not on purpose but the trans didn't care one bit. very fun car to drive. i got a 23 brz limited m6. not getting into anything major, so far ive:

removed carbon trap from the airbox
swapped to a green air filter
disabled the engine noise maker thing

going to swap brake pads this weekend, as i feel the brakes and shifter really needed attention the most. done after that. gonna drive it to work and hope it doesn't suck any rtv into the motor that i know is stuck on the pickup screen.

[DaveC113]

I'm happy with my EN so far. I was looking at Civic Si for ~$30k but ADM is still an issue. Wasn't even considering EN but after driving one I bought it. Hyundai did a good job! It's intended to be an everyday sports car and they nailed it. The DCT and eDiff are really good. The M6 posted track times .01 off a TypeR and S in the vid below... around 13:00 in if you don't want to watch it. DCT would have beat a M2C! Their track is small scale, but still, that's impressive for a car that costs 1/2 the BMW.

GR86 was an option, but it's a far inferior dd, it's slower, fuel economy is ridiculously poor for what it is, it has a Subaru engine, it isn't at all track ready, while EN is as track ready as a 1LE Camaro. It's baffling how Toyota compromised a car with so much potential while Hyundai takes a basic econo chassis and makes it into something really good. I also feel like the GR Corolla misses the mark in a lot of ways and is too expensive.

[DeuceCam]

I'm late to the party but will give my 2 cents.

I owned ae86's for 13 years and pictured myself buying the gr86 for over a year. I finally drove one last winter and was underwhelmed; it didn't sound good (fake engine noise was disabled), the throttle and clutch feel wasn't good, and the turn signal implementation drove me nuts. The shift throw was also very short for my taste. I test drove a Camaro 20 mins after the gr86 and ended up buying that same car a week later.

I've heard the throttle mapping is different on the brz (less sensitive), which would be an improvement.

I considered an elantra n, but the new facelift model wasn't out at the time. The old front bumper is hideous IMO. Also, I didn't want a fwd car as my weekend toy. I'll give it another look when it's time to replacey daily, but I have a feeling it will be too harsh for a daily.

Side note: Why don't people use the rear cubby, at the back of the center console, as a place to put your phone in the Camaro?

[m6-lt1]

Originally Posted by DeuceCam

I'm late to the party but will give my 2 cents.

I owned ae86's for 13 years and pictured myself buying the gr86 for over a year. I finally drove one last winter and was underwhelmed; it didn't sound good (fake engine noise was disabled), the throttle and clutch feel wasn't good, and the turn signal implementation drove me nuts. The shift throw was also very short for my taste. I test drove a Camaro 20 mins after the gr86 and ended up buying that same car a week later.

I've heard the throttle mapping is different on the brz (less sensitive), which would be an improvement.

I considered an elantra n, but the new facelift model wasn't out at the time. The old front bumper is hideous IMO. Also, I didn't want a fwd car as my weekend toy. I'll give it another look when it's time to replacey daily, but I have a feeling it will be too harsh for a daily.

Side note: Why don't people use the rear cubby, at the back of the center console, as a place to put your phone in the Camaro?

I never thought I would find a FWD car fun but the Elantra N is THAT fun. I have a Camaro as my weekend toy because V8 is still the most important thing to me.

To answer your question about the rear cubby, it’s because a modern phone doesn’t fit in it. In fact it was too small even when it came out in 2016.

[DeuceCam]

My phone fits. Weird.

[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by m6-lt1

To answer your question about the rear cubby, it’s because a modern phone doesn’t fit in it. In fact it was too small even when it came out in 2016.

Originally Posted by DeuceCam

My phone fits. Weird.

I think one of you meant the LT1/1SS cubby and the other the 2SS wireless charging pad. I'm sure practically any phone can be dumped into the cubby.

[m6-lt1]

Figured I'd post this here. The N really is a fun car. I never thought FWD could be fun. Now I'm really interested in trying out a Type R.

On public twisty roads the N I think is more fun than my SS 1lE. You can use more of it whereas the 1LE has so much grip you can't sanely get to it's limit on public roads. It also accelerates too fast between the twisties. I can keep my foot in the throttle longer in the straights without feeling like a criminal haha.

Having said that I still like my SS 1LE better. Sometimes though it is more fun driving a slow car fast versus driving a fast car slow.

[DaveC113]

Originally Posted by m6-lt1

Figured I'd post this here. The N really is a fun car. I never thought FWD could be fun. Now I'm really interested in trying out a Type R.

On public twisty roads the N I think is more fun than my SS 1lE. You can use more of it whereas the 1LE has so much grip you can't sanely get to it's limit on public roads. It also accelerates too fast between the twisties. I can keep my foot in the throttle longer in the straights without feeling like a criminal haha.

Having said that I still like my SS 1LE better. Sometimes though it is more fun driving a slow car fast versus driving a fast car slow.

I'm happy to have both. EN is a great daily... it's smaller, yet has far more interior space and a much larger trunk, easy to park anywhere, good visibility, good fuel economy if you drive it normally, blind spot and cross traffic alerts, lane assist, etc. It doesn't feel like massive overkill getting groceries.

It's also surprisingly fast under 60-70 mph, the data in the vid @khcoaching posted compares a SLE with an EN and in low speed corners it's not all that far off. Hyundai really did a great job with the car... drivetrain, suspension, steering, brakes... all good. Holds up to track use with no mods. Hard to believe you can get a car like this for <$40k in 2025.