[Grtpkn]

Originally Posted by N Camarolina

I appreciate your point of view here, but have you ever stopped to question the possibility that humans as a species are a threat the future of this planet?

If you can remember learning about biology, every species has a limit to its population size (called "carrying capacity") that once crossed, will be it's own demise because it's destroying the balance with the environment it lives in (eating too many of it's prey items until there isn't enough to sustain it, or destroying it's own environment that's been enabling it thrive). Humans have now exceeded their carrying capacity limit because of the atmospheric pollutants we are dumping into the air. It is causing more heat to be retained within our atmosphere and this is melting the polar ice caps, changing salinity of our oceans, and altering the normal water and air currents. The result is rising sea levels and more violent weather patterns. One need only look at the last 2 or 3 years at weather patterns in the US to see that there are unusual events happening much more frequently than in my last 50+ years on this earth. Any if this isn't the sentinel event that does us in, I'd bet it will eventually be that we have expanded our human footprint to the point that we've removed too much green vegetation and we no longer have enough oxygen to support ourselves.

Some governments around the world (including US) understand this and have put mandates in place to try to stem the tide of all this by putting aggressive limits on CO2 and other pollutants. It isn't about trying to limit the choice of individual humans. It's about trying to protect future generations of humans from the actions of past and current humans.

If ICE engines can't meet the pollutant targets then they go the route of the dinosaur. I don't like that one bit, but I'd rather see that than to know that we all helped destroy our only available home and didn't care enough to try to do something about it.

President Dwight D. Eisenhower, once warned that “you don’t lead by hitting people over the head: That’s assault, not leadership.”

[CamaroSue]

Originally Posted by N Camarolina

I appreciate your point of view here, but have you ever stopped to question the possibility that humans as a species are a threat the future of this planet?

If you can remember learning about biology, every species has a limit to its population size (called "carrying capacity") that once crossed, will be it's own demise because it's destroying the balance with the environment it lives in (eating too many of it's prey items until there isn't enough to sustain it, or destroying it's own environment that's been enabling it thrive). Humans have now exceeded their carrying capacity limit because of the atmospheric pollutants we are dumping into the air. It is causing more heat to be retained within our atmosphere and this is melting the polar ice caps, changing salinity of our oceans, and altering the normal water and air currents. The result is rising sea levels and more violent weather patterns. One need only look at the last 2 or 3 years at weather patterns in the US to see that there are unusual events happening much more frequently than in my last 50+ years on this earth. Any if this isn't the sentinel event that does us in, I'd bet it will eventually be that we have expanded our human footprint to the point that we've removed too much green vegetation and we no longer have enough oxygen to support ourselves.

Some governments around the world (including US) understand this and have put mandates in place to try to stem the tide of all this by putting aggressive limits on CO2 and other pollutants. It isn't about trying to limit the choice of individual humans. It's about trying to protect future generations of humans from the actions of past and current humans.

If ICE engines can't meet the pollutant targets then they go the route of the dinosaur. I don't like that one bit, but I'd rather see that than to know that we all helped destroy our only available home and didn't care enough to try to do something about it.

Since when did C02 become a "pollutant"???I dont think plants and trees would agree with that.

[tenargo57]

Originally Posted by CamaroSue

Since when did C02 become a "pollutant"???I dont think plants and trees would agree with that.

Yes, pollutant. It doesn't mean toxic. It's any substance that causes an imbalance in a system resulting in undesired effects. Excessive water on farmland that washes away topsoil is a pollutant.

[Mark R]

Originally Posted by N Camarolina

I appreciate your point of view here, but have you ever stopped to question the possibility that humans as a species are a threat the future of this planet?

If you can remember learning about biology, every species has a limit to its population size (called "carrying capacity") that once crossed, will be it's own demise because it's destroying the balance with the environment it lives in (eating too many of it's prey items until there isn't enough to sustain it, or destroying it's own environment that's been enabling it thrive). Humans have now exceeded their carrying capacity limit because of the atmospheric pollutants we are dumping into the air. It is causing more heat to be retained within our atmosphere and this is melting the polar ice caps, changing salinity of our oceans, and altering the normal water and air currents. The result is rising sea levels and more violent weather patterns. One need only look at the last 2 or 3 years at weather patterns in the US to see that there are unusual events happening much more frequently than in my last 50+ years on this earth. Any if this isn't the sentinel event that does us in, I'd bet it will eventually be that we have expanded our human footprint to the point that we've removed too much green vegetation and we no longer have enough oxygen to support ourselves.

Some governments around the world (including US) understand this and have put mandates in place to try to stem the tide of all this by putting aggressive limits on CO2 and other pollutants. It isn't about trying to limit the choice of individual humans. It's about trying to protect future generations of humans from the actions of past and current humans.

If ICE engines can't meet the pollutant targets then they go the route of the dinosaur. I don't like that one bit, but I'd rather see that than to know that we all helped destroy our only available home and didn't care enough to try to do something about it.

Anyone with a modicum of curiosity about this issue would start to see that the so-called climate (Cooling, then Warming, then Changing) doomsayers and solution prescribers only want to infringe on the rights, wealth, and freedoms of ordinary people, while they continue on their merry way, flying private to climate conferences and the World Economic Forum. All their "solutions" penalize the people, and enrich the powerful, which automatically makes them suspect.

Your text above demonstrates that you have bought into this propaganda, and as such I simply ask you to go first as an example to us all, and sell your Camaro and show us your Prius, as a shining example for us all to emulate. EDIT: How about junking your Camaro, then buying a Prius? I think that would really prove your environmental Bona Fides.

[olrocker]

Originally Posted by N Camarolina

I appreciate your point of view here, but have you ever stopped to question the possibility that humans as a species are a threat the future of this planet?

If you can remember learning about biology, every species has a limit to its population size (called "carrying capacity") that once crossed, will be it's own demise because it's destroying the balance with the environment it lives in (eating too many of it's prey items until there isn't enough to sustain it, or destroying it's own environment that's been enabling it thrive). Humans have now exceeded their carrying capacity limit because of the atmospheric pollutants we are dumping into the air. It is causing more heat to be retained within our atmosphere and this is melting the polar ice caps, changing salinity of our oceans, and altering the normal water and air currents. The result is rising sea levels and more violent weather patterns. One need only look at the last 2 or 3 years at weather patterns in the US to see that there are unusual events happening much more frequently than in my last 50+ years on this earth. Any if this isn't the sentinel event that does us in, I'd bet it will eventually be that we have expanded our human footprint to the point that we've removed too much green vegetation and we no longer have enough oxygen to support ourselves.

Some governments around the world (including US) understand this and have put mandates in place to try to stem the tide of all this by putting aggressive limits on CO2 and other pollutants. It isn't about trying to limit the choice of individual humans. It's about trying to protect future generations of humans from the actions of past and current humans.

If ICE engines can't meet the pollutant targets then they go the route of the dinosaur. I don't like that one bit, but I'd rather see that than to know that we all helped destroy our only available home and didn't care enough to try to do something about it.

George Carlin was 100% accurate in 1992. And today he’s 1000% right. I wish he was still with us….. he’d be even bigger than he was then (well, for half of us anyway)

https://youtu.be/Kmo8sh77G6Y?si=IUHcZsp1Z41Qrn8z

[CamaroSue]

Originally Posted by tenargo57

Yes, pollutant. It doesn't mean toxic. It's any substance that causes an imbalance in a system resulting in undesired effects. Excessive water on farmland that washes away topsoil is a pollutant.

Nope! Your analogy is apples and oranges. CO2 is not a pollutant in our atmosphere.

[Mark R]

Originally Posted by CamaroSue

Nope! Your analogy is apples and oranges. CO2 is not a pollutant in our atmosphere.

CO2 is plant food.

[S1lent]

Originally Posted by tenargo57

Yes, pollutant. It doesn't mean toxic. It's any substance that causes an imbalance in a system resulting in undesired effects. Excessive water on farmland that washes away topsoil is a pollutant.

Scientific literature agrees with you. Random Camaro6 posters do not. Who to trust?

[olrocker]

Originally Posted by tenargo57

Yes, pollutant. It doesn't mean toxic. It's any substance that causes an imbalance in a system resulting in undesired effects. Excessive water on farmland that washes away topsoil is a pollutant.

WT literal F?????? That’s been going on for hundreds of thousands of years. Ya’ll are seriously messed up.

Watch the video I posted of George Carlin.

[Capricio]

Originally Posted by S1lent

Scientific literature agrees with you. Random Camaro6 posters do not. Who to trust?

99% of climate scientists seeking grant money agree that this requires further study to affirm/validate the position of the people doling out the grants. The same people that gave us the hockey stick charts about 12 years ago and said parts of FL and CA would be underwater by now, and polar bear populations would be nearly extinct. If you question any of it, you're just a redneck hillbilly pollution lover.

Man-Bear-Pig is Cereal!



To Mark's point, who has profited the most from carbon credit exchanges, solar manufacturing subsidies, etc? These would NOT be profitable without the force of regulation.

[Martinjlm]

Just wondering how a discussion on speed governing turned into a climate change debate...

[S1lent]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

Just wondering how a discussion on speed governing turned into a climate change debate...

Didn't you hear? Everything is a government conspiracy! Here's a George Carlin and South Park video to prove my point.




Jokes aside, you can see this being proven right in this thread:


"Worldwide, the belief in climate change is the highest in South Korea, Italy, and India, while it is the lowest in Japan and in the United States."
https://www.statista.com/chart/15716...hange-beliefs/

[Mark R]

Originally Posted by S1lent

Didn't you hear? Everything is a government conspiracy! Here's a George Carlin and South Park video to prove my point.




Jokes aside, you can see this being proven right in this thread:


"Worldwide, the belief in climate change is the highest in South Korea, Italy, and India, while it is the lowest in Japan and in the United States."
https://www.statista.com/chart/15716...hange-beliefs/

[olrocker]

Originally Posted by S1lent

Scientific literature agrees with you. Random Camaro6 posters do not. Who to trust?

The scientists pushing an agenda for one side funded by said side of govt or people with common sense that think for themselves without funding from anyone?