[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Absenteeism is 20%. The union is saying “hey if we only had to work 32 hours instead of 40 (they don’t actually work 40) absenteeism would be less. Would LOVE to see the union simply say, “we will eliminate absenteeism if you just give the 20% to the people that will show up every day”

Number 3, can you expand on this number a bit? It cannot possibly mean that on any given day, an average 20% of workers are a no show... right?

[The Zebra]

Originally Posted by Number 3

The union has ALWAYS protected these individuals. One of the first things they do in the local contracts is get all these people that were fired their jobs back.

Absenteeism is 20%. The union is saying “hey if we only had to work 32 hours instead of 40 (they don’t actually work 40) absenteeism would be less. Would LOVE to see the union simply say, “we will eliminate absenteeism if you just give the 20% to the people that will show up every day”

On a 5 day, 40 hr work week, missing one day a week = 20% absenteeism.

On a 4 day, 32 hr work week, missing one day a week = 25% absenteeism, so, absenteeism would increase to 25%.

Of course, they will deny that it would happen that way, but I think we know better.

BTW, I'm all for for paying the going rate for what a job can bring in on the open job market. Also, both sides need to be reasonable.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by arpad_m

Number 3, can you expand on this number a bit? It cannot possibly mean that on any given day, an average 20% of workers are a no show... right?

You can do your own research, it changes a bit depending on who is reporting and how they are counting.

https://news.bloomberglaw.com/daily-...contract-talks

[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by Number 3

You can do your own research, it changes a bit depending on who is reporting and how they are counting.

https://news.bloomberglaw.com/daily-...contract-talks

This is insane, I never thought this was even a thing. In my books, you don't show up for work twice in a row for no agreed or acceptable reason, you're fired.

[The Zebra]

Originally Posted by arpad_m

This is insane, I never thought this was even a thing. In my books, you don't show up for work twice in a row for no agreed or acceptable reason, you're fired.

For sure. The way we looked at it was, if you showed up early you were on time, if you showed up on time you were late and if you showed up
late, you were were fired.

Now either they don't show up or they come to work and call it "Bare Minimum Monday" and don't do anything. It's actually a thing. Strange times.

[SomeGeoffGuy]

I knew a girl from Toronto that worked summers every year in Oshawa Assembly on the truck line. This was about the time she got laid off every year too. They need extra help over the summer to cover all the vacations. Same thing happens in retail, except they hire temps over the Christmas holiday.

I am just saying that I wouldn't read this as retaliatory or much more into it.

-Geoff

[SnakeEyeSS]

Making sick days count against vacation time? Do they have an unlimited amount of sick leave? If there is a limit, and they are using earned leave(how it works at my union job), when they run out they don't get paid, and are on a march toward unemployment, then that is a self solving issue.

[JVERMETTE]

GM Executives announced they are officially stopping Camaro production December of 2023 with an official plant shutdown starting Jan 2024 in order to get ready for upgrades/changes for the next production line.

[The Zebra]

Originally Posted by JVERMETTE

GM Executives announced they are officially stopping Camaro production December of 2023 with an official plant shutdown starting Jan 2024 in order to get ready for upgrades/changes for the next production line.

Which probably makes it a 'non target' facility if the UAW decides to strike more plants. I read that they're next target was the Tahoe assembly plant, anyway.

[The Zebra]

Originally Posted by JVERMETTE

GM Executives announced they are officially stopping Camaro production December of 2023 with an official plant shutdown starting Jan 2024 in order to get ready for upgrades/changes for the next production line.

That gives them 6 months to re-tool the line for the next model to be produced (and it won't be a Camaro). The auto industry usually start producing the next model year in July, I think. Sounds like a lot of time, but it really isn't. That's a monumental task, especially if the car is going to be an EV.

[Crushin_LT1]

Originally Posted by arpad_m

This is insane, I never thought this was even a thing. In my books, you don't show up for work twice in a row for no agreed or acceptable reason, you're fired.

Not to knock union workers, but this is actually better than the popular understanding of how unions tend to work. 20% seems lower than I'd expected.

[Alan47717]

Originally Posted by Number 3

The union has ALWAYS protected these individuals. One of the first things they do in the local contracts is get all these people that were fired their jobs back.

Absenteeism is 20%. The union is saying “hey if we only had to work 32 hours instead of 40 (they don’t actually work 40) absenteeism would be less. Would LOVE to see the union simply say, “we will eliminate absenteeism if you just give the 20% to the people that will show up every day”

Where did the 20% come from? Sounds like a mythical number that gets inflated every time it gets passed along. I've spent enough time in vehicle, transmission and engine plants to know that it isn't possible to run the plants with that level of absenteeism. So either a bunch of extra people are kept on the clock to cover the shortfall (never happen) or that number isn't real.

[50MileSmile]

Originally Posted by Alan47717

Where did the 20% come from? Sounds like a mythical number that gets inflated every time it gets passed along. I've spent enough time in vehicle, transmission and engine plants to know that it isn't possible to run the plants with that level of absenteeism. So either a bunch of extra people are kept on the clock to cover the shortfall (never happen) or that number isn't real.

20% comes from reality. Why do you think the pool of temporary workers is so large?