[LeonardS]

Originally Posted by Z OH 6

I'm talking about across ALL ZL1 sales, so yea its very much true. And before you proceed to tell me that the car posted here was not just a ZL1, but a ZL1 1LE, I would say that most 1LE owners don't buy it for its track capabilities, they bought it for its looks. That's pretty obvious by the amount of people that buy 1LEs for daily drivers and drag racing and never have any intentions of putting them on a road course. The fact is, a 1LE is just another ZL1 with a track package and most people don't care about that other than they want the appearance. GM might as well have called it an appearance package and left the suspension as a track option.

I think people buy what they want….and they should, since it’s their money. Apparently you wanted a ZL1, so good for you. I wanted a ZLE due to it being harder to get and the looks. I’m happy and hopefully you’re happy. I don’t understand why you have to bash every thread and everyone that has a ZLE? Go drive your car and be happy for others that have a Camaro to drive.

[JSH]

Originally Posted by LeonardS

I don’t understand why you have to bash every thread and everyone that has a ZLE?

This fits him better than anyone that I've come across here in the last 3 years. I don't understand it either

[Z OH 6]

Originally Posted by LeonardS

I think people buy what they want….and they should, since it’s their money. Apparently you wanted a ZL1, so good for you. I wanted a ZLE due to it being harder to get and the looks. I’m happy and hopefully you’re happy. I don’t understand why you have to bash every thread and everyone that has a ZLE? Go drive your car and be happy for others that have a Camaro to drive.

Please quote even ONE post here where I bashed the 1LE. Having a difference of opinion than someone or even posting facts doesn't constitute bashing. In fact, if you read through my posts here in this thread I said "its amazing when used for its intended purpose."

1LE owners are some of the most sensitive owners I've ever encountered on any automotive forum. It seems many have this opinion that everyone secretly desires a 1LE and when they don't present that attitude, then they must be bashing or jealous, or can't afford one, etc...

[Z OH 6]

Originally Posted by JSH

This fits him better than anyone that I've come across here in the last 3 years. I don't understand it either

No one understands you either so

[jjgi5150]

Hi all,

In my original post here I was primarily looking at the comparison of a primarily
track based car, the GT350, to the 6th Gen ZLE’s. I believe there were very few GT350’s that were used as 1/4 mile cars. Also to the fact that there are so few of those early GT350’s still around and they are commanding very high prices compared to their original sale values. Admittedly, almost 65 years later now, they are super hard to find and were made in similar numbers to the ZLE.

I was never suggesting the ZLE was ‘better’ than a standard ZL1, they are just intended for a different purpose, and their total production numbers are so close to the ZLE. Both ZL1’s are really great cars that, IMO, far outshined any modern Mustangs. And my thoughts about comparative value WAS NOT based on what their value would be now or next year, but a bit further into the future as the ICE’s begin to fade away.

None of it matters to me as mine will not be sold while I’m still alive.

Thanks for everyone’s input…

JJ

[HemiDave]

No one here suggested the ZLE was better than a ZL1, just that it’s the superior track car and more rare.
That’s all it takes to have some people come out who have hurt feelings over those FACTS.
So who are really the sensitive ones here?
Just enjoy your Camaros for what they are.

[Z OH 6]

Originally Posted by HemiDave

No one here suggested the ZLE was better than a ZL1, just that it’s the superior track car and more rare. That’s all it takes to have some people come out who have hurt feelings over those FACTS.
So who are really the sensitive ones here?
Just enjoy your Camaros for what they are.

Did anyone ever dispute this? I'm not aware of any. There's no sensitivity from standard ZL1 owners over this. The sensitivity seems to always come from ZL1 1LE owners that try to make standard ZL1 owners feel like they bought something inferior and they secretly want a ZL1 1LE but can't get one or afford one. Its unfathomable to some ZL1 1LE owners that some people simply don't want a ZL1 1LE. It's ALWAYS ZL1 1LE owners that get bent out of shape first in these discussions. It's a very common theme repeated over and over. I agree with your last sentence, just enjoy what you bought because you bought it for your own reasons and no one else.

[arpad_m]

Look at it this way, they bought the uber top dog trim and package combo, they want to feel superior. There's no way this isn't part of the equation, unfortunately.

To be completely honest, you can witness the very similar behaviors in almost every ZL1 vs SS, SS 1LE vs SS or SS vs LT discussion. The ZL1 is "much more than the supercharger", it's "a different world altogether"; the 1LE package is "absolute magic" and "why would anyone buy an SS without it", the V8 is what makes a Camaro and V6/I4 owners made a mistake, etc., etc.

(I won't even mention the manual vs auto trans dimension, because that's a surefire thread hijack, inadvertent as it is.)

[Z OH 6]

Originally Posted by arpad_m

Look at it this way, they bought the uber top dog trim and package combo, they want to feel superior. There's no way this isn't part of the equation, unfortunately.

To be completely honest, you can witness the very similar behaviors in almost every ZL1 vs SS, SS 1LE vs SS or SS vs LT discussion. The ZL1 is "much more than the supercharger", it's "a different world altogether"; the 1LE package is "absolute magic" and "why would anyone buy an SS without it", the V8 is what makes a Camaro and V6/I4 owners made a mistake, etc., etc.

(I won't even mention the manual vs auto trans dimension, because that's a surefire thread hijack, inadvertent as it is.)

I've never looked down on anyone with an SS and thought he wishes he had a ZL1. The 1LE isn't a different model than the standard ZL1, it's the same car with a track pack. The vast majority of people that buy them do it for the appearance, nothing more. Those same people love to quote Nurbrugring times but will never actually put their cars on a track. It's silly.

[LeonardS]

Originally Posted by arpad_m

Look at it this way, they bought the uber top dog trim and package combo, they want to feel superior. There's no way this isn't part of the equation, unfortunately.

To be completely honest, you can witness the very similar behaviors in almost every ZL1 vs SS, SS 1LE vs SS or SS vs LT discussion. The ZL1 is "much more than the supercharger", it's "a different world altogether"; the 1LE package is "absolute magic" and "why would anyone buy an SS without it", the V8 is what makes a Camaro and V6/I4 owners made a mistake, etc., etc.

(I won't even mention the manual vs auto trans dimension, because that's a surefire thread hijack, inadvertent as it is.)

If we have a ZLE, then we feel superior. If we have friends at GM, then we’re bragging(former comment). Thanks for clarifying that. Now I know how I should feel.

[HemiDave]

All I wanted was a ZLE with a manual.
I certainly I didn't do it to feel superior.

My dealer was actually trying to talk me out of the ZLE because of the hard suspension, but I knew what I wanted.

And here is the kicker, I was considering going with the SS 1LE manual next, and do ZLE aero mods, or a used ZLE or GT350

[CalgaryZL1]

The bone stock LT4is a torque monster and that will make any Transmission Work like magic! It’s like my Harley road king custom I can accelerate from idle RPM with lots of torque off the twist

[JSH]

Originally Posted by HemiDave

All wanted was a ZLE with a manual.
I certainly I didn't do it to feel superior.

My dealer was actually trying to talk me out of the ZLE because of the hard suspension,

I also contacted dealers about a manual and they talked me out of it by saying resale would not be as good. I'm glad they did. I really enjoy my car.

[GreenZLE]

I read about the ZL1-1LE extensively before I purchased and always intended on tracking it. I really wanted to buy a 6 speed as I previously owned 2 other stick shift F body's, but every review I read said getting the 10sp auto felt like adding 100hp to the car.

I've had the opportunity to drive a ZL1 non 1LE car with a 6 speed and the auto was right for me. I also noticed the non-1LE car has movement in the rear cradle which is meaningless on the street but would need to be compensated for on the track.

Obviously I'm in the minority of Zl1 and ZL1-1LE owners because I have 7 or 8 track days and more than 31K mi. on mine. About every car I see listed has fewer miles and track days than mine.

I made a half hearted attempt to sell mine to upgrade to a 24 for track warranty purposes but I realized I would wind up paying an additional $25K to do so and its smarter to just spend money on an extended warranty. I also learned my dealer couldnt even get an allocation and the arrogant clowns at the local Chevy Dealer bragged about getting allocations, I left my number with them to place an order when they got an allocation, and they didnt call me back.

In the end, ZL1-1LE's with low miles and no track days will be worth a bit more money than the ZL1's with the same mileage and I personally think both versions of the cars will be rare because I've been watching how many show up at salvage auctions that are either borderline or definitely beyond repair. There's a bunch! iaai has a bunch right now and when mine needs an engine refresh, I'll probably just buy a wreck with low miles.