All Season Tire Performance?

tlr3715 · 10-28-2022, 12:13 PM

The RS I recently purchased comes with the all season run flat tires. All of my previous cars had summer tires (except for a C6 corvette but that was never driven in bad weather or cold) so have some questions on how modern all season tires perform and what I should expect from them.

How are the handling characteristics of the F1 Asymmetric all seasons? Do they communicate grip limit well or abruptly lose traction when their limit is reached?

Grip was greatly reduced in cold weather with the tires I am used to. For all seasons is grip the same at all temperatures or is the grip just overall better in the cold versus a summer but there is till grip benefit on a warm day or after driving a while?

Anyone drive these in snow? Should this even be attempted or should I realistically park it when it snows?

FlukeSS · 10-28-2022, 01:13 PM

In New York, you shouldn't expect anything from them.

Get you some winter tires asap. (They do not need to be run flat either and probably shouldn't be. Run flats is a harder rubber compound as opposed to non run flats. Winter tires are more flexible as non run flat in cold weather)

I can't drive my car in 1/2" of snow on all seasons. First year I've had winter tires on it, so will be testing it out.

Technically, you can drive in snow on them.

Realistically, you won't drive anywhere if you stop at an inclined stop light, or stop sign. I've actually had my car go backwards while trying to drive forwards on a slight incline stop sign. I worked from home that day.

WhiteMale · 10-28-2022, 01:16 PM

Usually if anyone on the forum runs an A/S its:

Michelin A/S3+
Michelin Sport A/S 4
DSW06+
BFG Comp2 A/S+

The rest of what you asked is really quiet subjective and hard to weigh in on. If you need snow capability I'd suggest the Alpin PA4, a winter performance tire that has more snow capacity than an A/S. I use this tire but I swap winter and summer setup's each year.

SSJ455 · 10-28-2022, 03:00 PM

DSW06+

I have these. I try not to drive in the snow but a few years ago we had a storm in NY shortly before Thanksgiving. I drove home from work in a storm. I didn't have too many problems. I was doing better than others in AWD cars. It isn't something I want to do on or worry about every time it snows but I was able to get home.

lt4camaro · 10-28-2022, 06:44 PM

Got 16000 miles on my 2021 LT1, the car is less than 2yrs old.. Have the goodyear all seasons, and live in Connecticut. I drive this car all year in the cold rain, cold dry and cold slush sometimes. Car is very manageable and never drive in ice and snow mode.

LT1gen6 · 10-29-2022, 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by lt4camaro

Got 16000 miles on my 2021 LT1, the car is less than 2yrs old.. Have the goodyear all seasons, and live in Connecticut. I drive this car all year in the cold rain, cold dry and cold slush sometimes. Car is very manageable and never drive in ice and snow mode.

Ditto with my LT1 with stock all-season run flats. If you know how to drive in snow, the stock LT1 tires are not the issue. Driver skill is.

The required skill set involves avoiding wheel spin and driving slow enough for snow and ice conditions (counter intuitive to most Camaro drivers). This pertains to acceleration, vehicle speed, and braking. Otherwise, you'll be in the ditch like so many AWD SUV pilots waiting for an ambulance or tow truck.

Rock-It Man · 10-29-2022, 05:10 PM

I have these: BFG Comp2 A/S.

They are not run flat and they work very well in cold rain. They also have great tracking and road feel in warm weather. They don't give anything away on a prepped drag strip.

So they are better all around than summer tires. But as for snow, well, my Camaro hibernates during snow season, so I have nothing to report on that subject.

Fun · 10-30-2022, 11:23 AM

Which Goodyear ? The Goodyear Eagle All Season Touring or 99W Goodyear Eagle All Season? I have the 245 20 inch run flats now, never again. Lasted 16k miles even with rotaions

lt4camaro · 10-30-2022, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Fun

Which Goodyear ? The Goodyear Eagle All Season Touring or 99W Goodyear Eagle All Season? I have the 245 20 inch run flats now, never again. Lasted 16k miles even with rotaions

Goodyear eagle F1 all seasons. I have just turned 16k miles on my 2021 LT1 and all the tires still measure 8/32 left and I do not drive easy.

lt4camaro · 10-30-2022, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by tlr3715

The RS I recently purchased comes with the all season run flat tires. All of my previous cars had summer tires (except for a C6 corvette but that was never driven in bad weather or cold) so have some questions on how modern all season tires perform and what I should expect from them.

How are the handling characteristics of the F1 Asymmetric all seasons? Do they communicate grip limit well or abruptly lose traction when their limit is reached?

Grip was greatly reduced in cold weather with the tires I am used to. For all seasons is grip the same at all temperatures or is the grip just overall better in the cold versus a summer but there is till grip benefit on a warm day or after driving a while?

Anyone drive these in snow? Should this even be attempted or should I realistically park it when it snows?

Great tire for almost anything.

Fun · 10-30-2022, 03:37 PM

Anyone ever try the Michelin Cross Climate 2 size 245/40R20 ? I have a 2020 Convertible with the V6 engine if it makes a difference. Thanks

mariojas · 10-30-2022, 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fun

Anyone ever try the Michelin Cross Climate 2 size 245/40R20 ? I have a 2020 Convertible with the V6 engine if it makes a difference. Thanks

CC2 is a very good tire but I couldn't find them in the size to match oem total wheel diameter...

Spaceme1117 · 10-30-2022, 06:42 PM

I have a set of Continental DWS06+'s on the SS Camaro and they did great last year in the winter. Can handle light snow just fine but you do need to take it easy. I drove around in a parking lot that had about 2 inches of snow and it was quite surprising how much grip I had.

I just put a set of Michelin All Seaon 4's on my 2011 Corvette Grand Sport. So far these have been extremely grippy on the near freezing mornings we have had. Haven't driven in any snow yet but I expect they will do just fine.

So modern all-season tires are extremely capable. Just don't expect snow tire traction.

wintertopdown · 07-31-2023, 09:11 PM

Pardon me digging up an old thread but I am also an LT1 driver and am facing the same decision. My previous camaro was a RS v6 that also came with the Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetrical All-Season RunonFlats. After 113,000 miles in the v6 and 32,000 miles in the v8, all I have ever known are these Goodyear All Season tires. I have researched extensively and am willing to try something new. I have had a couple screws and nails that have required plugging but the runflat feature did help me limp home without ruining a rim. I do drive all over the country, not just in one local.

10-28-2022, 12:13 PM	#1
tlr3715 Drives: 2002 Z28, 2023 1LT RS Redline Join Date: Sep 2022 Location: New York Posts: 78	All Season Tire Performance? The RS I recently purchased comes with the all season run flat tires. All of my previous cars had summer tires (except for a C6 corvette but that was never driven in bad weather or cold) so have some questions on how modern all season tires perform and what I should expect from them. How are the handling characteristics of the F1 Asymmetric all seasons? Do they communicate grip limit well or abruptly lose traction when their limit is reached? Grip was greatly reduced in cold weather with the tires I am used to. For all seasons is grip the same at all temperatures or is the grip just overall better in the cold versus a summer but there is till grip benefit on a warm day or after driving a while? Anyone drive these in snow? Should this even be attempted or should I realistically park it when it snows?

10-28-2022, 01:13 PM	#2
FlukeSS Drives: 2020 Camaro 2SS A10 Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Here Posts: 1,493	In New York, you shouldn't expect anything from them. Get you some winter tires asap. (They do not need to be run flat either and probably shouldn't be. Run flats is a harder rubber compound as opposed to non run flats. Winter tires are more flexible as non run flat in cold weather) I can't drive my car in 1/2" of snow on all seasons. First year I've had winter tires on it, so will be testing it out. Technically, you can drive in snow on them. Realistically, you won't drive anywhere if you stop at an inclined stop light, or stop sign. I've actually had my car go backwards while trying to drive forwards on a slight incline stop sign. I worked from home that day. __________________ 2020 Camaro 2SS A10 \| Rebuilt by: CBI Street Cars \| 2" SE LT Headers \| 3" SE X-Pipe \| 3" MBRP Axle-Back \| Pri & Sec Cat Deletes \| Roto-Fab CAI \| LT2 Ported \| 95mm ZR1 TB \| LSA crankshaft conversion w/modified crank gear \| LS1 thrust bearing \| LS MSD Plug Wire Set \| BTR Stage I Cam \| ARP Rod Bolts \| Delphi Lifter set \| NGK LTR5IX-11 spark plug set \| DOD Delete \| VVT Limiter \| ECM, TCM & E85 \| Retuned by: Justin L. \| Dyno: 510 rwhp 472 rwtq \| Best 1/4 Time: 11.639 Last edited by FlukeSS; 10-28-2022 at 01:30 PM.

10-28-2022, 03:00 PM	#4
SSJ455 Drives: "Kara Zor-El" 2017 2SS HBM Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Lower Hudson Valley Posts: 2,045 View My Garage	DSW06+ I have these. I try not to drive in the snow but a few years ago we had a storm in NY shortly before Thanksgiving. I drove home from work in a storm. I didn't have too many problems. I was doing better than others in AWD cars. It isn't something I want to do on or worry about every time it snows but I was able to get home. __________________ Lead me not into temptation. I already know the way. Lana? Lana? LANA! LAAANAAAA!!!! What? Dangerzoooooone.

07-31-2023, 09:11 PM	#14
wintertopdown Drives: 22 Convertible V8 LT1 Join Date: Feb 2019 Location: Jensen Beach, Florida Posts: 228	Pardon me digging up an old thread but I am also an LT1 driver and am facing the same decision. My previous camaro was a RS v6 that also came with the Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetrical All-Season RunonFlats. After 113,000 miles in the v6 and 32,000 miles in the v8, all I have ever known are these Goodyear All Season tires. I have researched extensively and am willing to try something new. I have had a couple screws and nails that have required plugging but the runflat feature did help me limp home without ruining a rim. I do drive all over the country, not just in one local. __________________ I bought my first 6-Speed convertible Camaro in November 2018 and now drive a Hot Red V8 LT1 M6. My Windows Sticker: https://cws.gm.com/vs-cws/vehshop/v2...FE3D78N0129849

10-28-2022, 01:16 PM	#3
WhiteMale Drives: 23 ZL1 A10 Rapid Blue Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: MO Posts: 2,083	Usually if anyone on the forum runs an A/S its: Michelin A/S3+ Michelin Sport A/S 4 DSW06+ BFG Comp2 A/S+ The rest of what you asked is really quiet subjective and hard to weigh in on. If you need snow capability I'd suggest the Alpin PA4, a winter performance tire that has more snow capacity than an A/S. I use this tire but I swap winter and summer setup's each year.

10-28-2022, 06:44 PM	#5
lt4camaro Drives: 2021 LT1 10 speed auto Join Date: May 2013 Location: Connecticut Posts: 2,344	Got 16000 miles on my 2021 LT1, the car is less than 2yrs old.. Have the goodyear all seasons, and live in Connecticut. I drive this car all year in the cold rain, cold dry and cold slush sometimes. Car is very manageable and never drive in ice and snow mode.

10-29-2022, 05:10 PM	#7
Rock-It Man 376 cubic inches of fun Drives: 2023 Camaro ZL1 A10 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: MA Posts: 4,036 View My Garage	I have these: BFG Comp2 A/S. They are not run flat and they work very well in cold rain. They also have great tracking and road feel in warm weather. They don't give anything away on a prepped drag strip. So they are better all around than summer tires. But as for snow, well, my Camaro hibernates during snow season, so I have nothing to report on that subject.

10-30-2022, 11:23 AM	#8
Fun Drives: 2020 V6 Auto 3LT RS Join Date: Apr 2019 Location: Kansas City Posts: 178	Which Goodyear ? The Goodyear Eagle All Season Touring or 99W Goodyear Eagle All Season? I have the 245 20 inch run flats now, never again. Lasted 16k miles even with rotaions

10-30-2022, 03:37 PM	#11
Fun Drives: 2020 V6 Auto 3LT RS Join Date: Apr 2019 Location: Kansas City Posts: 178	Anyone ever try the Michelin Cross Climate 2 size 245/40R20 ? I have a 2020 Convertible with the V6 engine if it makes a difference. Thanks

10-30-2022, 06:42 PM	#13
Spaceme1117 Drives: 2017 Camaro SS, 2011 Corvette GS Join Date: Feb 2019 Location: Erlanger, Kentucky 41018 Posts: 830	I have a set of Continental DWS06+'s on the SS Camaro and they did great last year in the winter. Can handle light snow just fine but you do need to take it easy. I drove around in a parking lot that had about 2 inches of snow and it was quite surprising how much grip I had. I just put a set of Michelin All Seaon 4's on my 2011 Corvette Grand Sport. So far these have been extremely grippy on the near freezing mornings we have had. Haven't driven in any snow yet but I expect they will do just fine. So modern all-season tires are extremely capable. Just don't expect snow tire traction.

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