[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by Johnfin

Am i missing something on this thread. It seems like
People believe its GM's fault or their design team
For the demise of the camaro. Someone on this
Site already showed the government mandate
To terminate all muscle cars by 2024. I read it
Straight from uncle sam. Not a coincidence
They all ceased together. Imports too.
Like digital tv, it just happened and there waa
Nothing we could do about it.

The trend is unmistakable. Interestingly, however, Ford has just debuted the 2024 Mustang GT built on a new platform, with an updated V8 engine, chassis and electronics.

[PizzzzzaForPresident]

Originally Posted by arpad_m

The trend is unmistakable. Interestingly, however, Ford has just debuted the 2024 Mustang GT built on a new platform, with an updated V8 engine, chassis and electronics.

The guys from Throttle House seem to think calling it a new generation is disingenuous. They claim it's still the same chassis, same suspension, same wheel base and more or less the same powertrain and they've had conversations with Ford engineers about it. It sounds like it's a more extensive version of the 2018 facelift.

Start at 7m 30s if it doesn't do that automatically

[Joshinator99]

Originally Posted by arpad_m

The trend is unmistakable. Interestingly, however, Ford has just debuted the 2024 Mustang GT built on a new platform, with an updated V8 engine, chassis and electronics.

Exactly. There’s no “mandate to terminate all muscle cars by 2024” if Ford literally just announced a brand new Gen7 Mustang that will run 6-7 years easy.

[JTS]

Maybe Ford has more liquid reserves than both the other two ( Ford could most likely buy the other two , but have better plans with there $$ ) , and Performance people upstairs that still have a say.

[JTS]

My Salesman knows I would like to Order a 24ZLE , but not for $$$$ over MSRP , but I can get a 23 C8 for just under MSRP , they just got 4 in and need to deal . Here's 2 of the Window stickers that are appealing. or should I wait and get a Mustang .
I like the silver gray but doesn't have Z51 pkg.

[Alan47717]

I'll ignore all of the rest of your reasoning, Number3, but I have to rebut the "non V8 sales" factor in the death of the 4th gen. If your "non V8" offerings feature tractor motor V6's that should have died in the 80's (that engine was not competitive in anything, let alone an image vehicle like the Camaro/Firebird by the mid 90's) you shouldn't expect to sell many and we didn't). The brilliant management you keep referring to didn't bother to make the base models competitive. It was incompetence that killed the car in 2002.

The 6th gen doesn't have this problem. It has two excellent "non V8" offerings that NO ONE, EXCEPT PEOPLE WHO LOOK, KNOW ABOUT. I pay attention, I know cars and I had no idea the 6th gen offered the same 2.0t as in my 2019 Equinox until I started seriously looking in the fall of 2021. Don't try to tell me any reasonable effort was made to market this car, especially when the sales started to slide. I get marketing literature from GM constantly, trying to sell me Malibu's, Equinox's, Silverado's, yada, yada. Camaros? What's a Camaro?

[olrocker]

Heck even in 1969 with all the cheezey jazz music and something like 70% of Chevrolet total brand sales being for the full sized sedans, they STILL made sure to put the Camaro in the lineup!!

https://www.facebook.com/reel/251685...ibextid=4A8rJ6

[arpad_m]

There is no convincing GM folks of anything unfortunately, they have the data and did everything right ("operation was a success, alas, the patient deceased").

Nevertheless, let me link their last Camaro ad, "Answer the Call" from 2018 that was actually worth watching.

(The fact that I had to track down a Japanese channel to find this reproduction, because GM scrubbed any traces of the original from their account along with unlisting their ZL1 1LE Nürburgring video, speaks volumes to the topic of this thread, but I won't reopen this fruitless debate, let's just enjoy this clip together.)

[LT14EVA]

Originally Posted by PizzzzzaForPresident

The guys from Throttle House seem to think calling it a new generation is disingenuous. They claim it's still the same chassis, same suspension, same wheel base and more or less the same powertrain and they've had conversations with Ford engineers about it. It sounds like it's a more extensive version of the 2018 facelift.

Start at 7m 30s if it doesn't do that automatically

Looks like a Camaro and sounds like the steering is still tuned for crowds.

[JTS]

Change out the Pony in the grill to a Bowtie, and could be a Camaro.

[Shock and Steel]

Originally Posted by JTS

My Salesman knows I would like to Order a 24ZLE , but not for $$$$ over MSRP , but I can get a 23 C8 for just under MSRP , they just got 4 in and need to deal . Here's 2 of the Window stickers that are appealing. or should I wait and get a Mustang .
I like the silver gray but doesn't have Z51 pkg.

If one of those C8s has the Z51 package, and is within your budget, I would get that. I had the Z51 package on my 2007 C6, and it was excellent!

[Johnfin]

Go for the C8 and keep your new ZL1. Best
Of both worlds.

[Kamero6]

Originally Posted by JTS

My Salesman knows I would like to Order a 24ZLE , but not for $$$$ over MSRP , but I can get a 23 C8 for just under MSRP , they just got 4 in and need to deal . Here's 2 of the Window stickers that are appealing. or should I wait and get a Mustang .
I like the silver gray but doesn't have Z51 pkg.

I rented a C8 for a day. I don't think it is more fun to drive than the camaro.
I didn't like the double clutch transmission either.
I would rent one to get a grip of how it drives before pulling the trigger.

My prediction is those corvettes are going to transmorm into garage queens like ferraris or they are going to depreciate a lot.
We haven't seen that yet but rear mounted engine drives repair costs to the roof.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by Alan47717

I'll ignore all of the rest of your reasoning, Number3, but I have to rebut the "non V8 sales" factor in the death of the 4th gen. If your "non V8" offerings feature tractor motor V6's that should have died in the 80's (that engine was not competitive in anything, let alone an image vehicle like the Camaro/Firebird by the mid 90's) you shouldn't expect to sell many and we didn't). The brilliant management you keep referring to didn't bother to make the base models competitive. It was incompetence that killed the car in 2002.

The 6th gen doesn't have this problem. It has two excellent "non V8" offerings that NO ONE, EXCEPT PEOPLE WHO LOOK, KNOW ABOUT. I pay attention, I know cars and I had no idea the 6th gen offered the same 2.0t as in my 2019 Equinox until I started seriously looking in the fall of 2021. Don't try to tell me any reasonable effort was made to market this car, especially when the sales started to slide. I get marketing literature from GM constantly, trying to sell me Malibu's, Equinox's, Silverado's, yada, yada. Camaros? What's a Camaro?

The engines and chassis are pretty good in the non V8 cars. Chassis is excellent engines are ok, particularly the V6 (same as in my LaCrosse lol) being just so so.

That isn’t the issue.

The issue is why aren’t they selling and I can absolutely assure you it’s not lack of a TV commercial. Mustang is selling just fine and fine enough to get a NG car and not even a commercial for that car.

GM has all the data in the world you and I won’t ever see on why this is to back this up.

Almost all of the people in this site are here because of the V8 cars. The performance was a game changer when it launched. Bit the fundamental design and architecture resulted in a less compelling car if you simply want a sporty coupe. Remember everyone is going to SUVs for some consistent reasons and the Gen6 Camaro offers zero accommodation in this regard.

If you want a sporty coupe (not a sports car or muscle car) your expectations are far different than if you want the best performance car in the segment. If you chose an L4 or a V6 you’ve already made that clear.

Outward vision, trunk space, lift over height and zero rear seat (GM admitted this at launch if you recall) are huge.

Remember we’ve had people state their visibility is better than a Lamborghini on this very site, so therefore it MUST be ok.

Sorry but the sale numbers tell you everything and the ONLY counter anyone on this site has is “TV commercials” ignoring the simple fact the Mustang has zero commercials.