[FlukeSS]

Originally Posted by Gen6cyl

I disagree, I would still be male.Just smaller.

I have a small dingy, so I have to compensate with a V8 A10.



As a result I am going to pull a Joshinator, since I need a new engine anyways going with a 416.

[s346k]

it is still very simple

auto race car
manual street car

[Wyzz Kydd]

Originally Posted by FlukeSS

I don't have the 1LE, so 4 piston brakes,

Wheels and tires is all I needed.

Picked up ZL1 Replica wheels with proper offsets and match tires sizes from 1LE

The easy gist of it is: If the wheels + offset + tires fit a 1LE it will fit any standard camaro that is not a 1LE. Except maybe the V6 versions. But I know the LT1 is basically a V6 body with V8 engine so I assume LT's would fit this category as well. The only real difference is ZLE which I think has the widest tires on the back of the entire lineup.

I used this site for get the info needed: https://www.wheel-size.com/size/chev...-usdm-62i--455

My bad. I misunderstood. I thought you were saying the only difference between yours and a 1LE was the MRC so I assumed you had put in an eLSD suspension components, brakes and the other stuff.

[Palutz]

Everyone that sees my car wants to know one thing … is it manual? Enough said. Settle if you want to and then you’ll buy second hand now that the ICE Camaro is done with. If your main goal is to race at drag strips then you gotta get the auto. The A10 is faster

[Gen6cyl]

Originally Posted by Palutz

Everyone that sees my car wants to know one thing … is it manual? Enough said. Settle if you want to and then you’ll buy second hand now that the ICE Camaro is done with. If your main goal is to race at drag strips then you gotta get the auto. The A10 is faster

They just want to know how you identify.

[Kamero6]

Update. Went to a dealer today to test drive a manual and see the numbers. What a painful experience. So I will have to dump 18k to swap... a new 2023 LT1 for a 2022 1SS that smells like cigar, interior is deteriorated and drives bad. Something is wrong with it.

Note on the M6: I haven't driven manual in 2 years and got to drive it for 5 minutes.
In overall it felt underpowered. I know it's because of the longer ratios but, the A10 camaro feels lighter and quicker.

I think it's just matter of getting used to again.

Regardless of my desires, losing 20k is not an option so, we'll see what the future brings. I can always get a ZL1 M6 later on.

Question to keep the debated heated up... This is the 2nd or 3rd manual car I found with less than 5k miles. Do people purchase them, and find out the hard way it is a lot of work and trade them in?

[Kamero6]

Originally Posted by FlukeSS

I believe all SS+ models have 3 radiators, the LT1 does not, which makes them bad at hot lapping and track course use. They over heat quickly. That doesn't mean people don't eliminate radiators though to reduce weight.

My last time at the dragstrip I hot lapped my car 3 times in a row without shutting down the engine. Had no problems with heat.

I actually was doing some math on this. My theory is that the added SS radiators help only in mid range speed. I don't have the exact numbers but lets say 50mph to 100mph.
To be clear, standing at a red light the SS rads are not moving air, as far as I know they don't have fan, and at low speeds are not efficient (traffic jam). Fan usually simulates around 40mph.
At Vmax the speed of air is really fast and the main radiator should be enough. In slow tracks the added radiators are necessary. It's the wort case, mid air speed and full power applied.

So an LT1 should be able to race Talladega.

[Chutzpah]

Originally Posted by Kamero6

Update. Went to a dealer today to test drive a manual and see the numbers. What a painful experience. So I will have to dump 18k to swap... a new 2023 LT1 for a 2022 1SS that smells like cigar, interior is deteriorated and drives bad. Something is wrong with it.

Note on the M6: I haven't driven manual in 2 years and got to drive it for 5 minutes.
In overall it felt underpowered. I know it's because of the longer ratios but, the A10 camaro feels lighter and quicker.

I think it's just matter of getting used to again.

Regardless of my desires, losing 20k is not an option so, we'll see what the future brings. I can always get a ZL1 M6 later on.

Question to keep the debated heated up... This is the 2nd or 3rd manual car I found with less than 5k miles. Do people purchase them, and find out the hard way it is a lot of work and trade them in?

Maybe, but some people go through cars pretty fast and move onto the next. IE, I traded my 2016 SS @ 9.6k miles for a new ZL1. Then sold the ZL1 @ 5k miles. Both were auto’s… If I didn’t dislike the new style mustang so much, I probably would have squeezed one of those in between….

[Gen6cyl]

I drove a lt1 manual after having my v6 for 24 k miles. I only went about 15 miles but I did care for the way the power felt with the tall gears. Other than that the lt1 drove great. People may think I'm stupid but I like the shorter gearing and peppy v6 better. Of course it is slower but it is more fun to me. Find what you like and you will find happiness.

[sr71bb]

Originally Posted by Palutz

Everyone that sees my car wants to know one thing … is it manual? Enough said. Settle if you want to and then you’ll buy second hand now that the ICE Camaro is done with. If your main goal is to race at drag strips then you gotta get the auto. The A10 is faster

Actually an A10 is faster EVERYWHERE, just not on the dragstrip. PLUS if you have high HP you dont need to purchase a1500-2000 dollar dual or triple disk clutch to hold the power. A10s are good for 1000+ HP cars STOCK.

It is BY FAR the greatest production tranny EVER for a dual purpose car. It is one of the FEW things that GM OVER BUILT for its intended purpose.

It is true that paddle shifting it has some limitations but the tranny is so good shifting on its own that is doesnt really matter how it shifts manually.

[SmittyZ]

Originally Posted by Kamero6

Update. Went to a dealer today to test drive a manual and see the numbers. What a painful experience. So I will have to dump 18k to swap... a new 2023 LT1 for a 2022 1SS that smells like cigar, interior is deteriorated and drives bad. Something is wrong with it.

Note on the M6: I haven't driven manual in 2 years and got to drive it for 5 minutes.
In overall it felt underpowered. I know it's because of the longer ratios but, the A10 camaro feels lighter and quicker.

I think it's just matter of getting used to again.

Regardless of my desires, losing 20k is not an option so, we'll see what the future brings. I can always get a ZL1 M6 later on.

Question to keep the debated heated up... This is the 2nd or 3rd manual car I found with less than 5k miles. Do people purchase them, and find out the hard way it is a lot of work and trade them in?

Totally understand where you’re coming from. I pulled the trigger on my A10 even though I truly wanted an M6. But they were just so hard to find especially for the convertible, and I was able to get mine at a great price. The feedback on this forum helped me with the decision. There are times where I still wish I had an M6 when I’m just putzing around, but when I stomp on it the performance of this auto still impresses me and is fun in its own right. The convenience is also nice since I don’t really feel like banging gears at a groggy 430am drive to work or in the crazy traffic i sometimes get stuck in here.

I know a few others on here have gone from M6 to A10 but I think it’s been mostly due to wanting maximum performance and not the livability of the manual itself. I’ve seen a few 23s with low miles for sale too, A10 and M6, and I really just think some people buy them and find out it’s not a great car for their needs and they bail on them. Just my thoughts.

[Bosse'sBoss]

The 6th gen Camaro SS with its V8 combined with a 6MT is a very special Camaro, providing great handling, good muscle power with the driving involvement of rowing your own shifts. The A10 is a very fast transmission but doesn't provide the same driving enjoyment feeling. My first sport cars all of them had MT: Infiniti G35 coupe, Porsche 911 Carrera and a '11 Mustang GT 5.0 which I enjoyed driving on street and track, until my wife ask me to change to an AT sport car for her to also enjoy driving them, first I bought a 5th gen Camaro ZL1 and then a C7 Corvette Stingray Z51, both were great sport cars but the shifting your own emotion was missing. Then I tested a ME Porsche Cayman S with the well recognized DCT PDK, it shifted very fast and precise but the paddle shifting felt like I was playing with an Xbox game, not the same emotion of the MT. Until I went back to a 6MT 6th gen Camaro SS that I noticed what I was missing all this time.

[JamesNoBrakes]

There are a lot of cars that are best in one particular config. Porsche has spent lots of money refining their PDK dual clutch and it's the best transmission for their higher power cars by far. It's just a match for those cars. The 4EAT that Subaru tried to pass off in the WRX and FXT was absolutely horrible and you were an idiot if you bought one of those cars with that transmission. That car was solidly a manual-only car. There are a few that can go either way and as power gets greater, like up around 600hp, some kind of automatic tends to make more sense for engineering concerns.

But a lot of the time, I see a cool car, I ask them if it's manual or automatic. When they say "automatic" I say "oh, nevermind..." End of conversation.

[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by Kamero6

Update. Went to a dealer today to test drive a manual and see the numbers. What a painful experience. So I will have to dump 18k to swap... a new 2023 LT1 for a 2022 1SS that smells like cigar, interior is deteriorated and drives bad. Something is wrong with it.

Note on the M6: I haven't driven manual in 2 years and got to drive it for 5 minutes.
In overall it felt underpowered. I know it's because of the longer ratios but, the A10 camaro feels lighter and quicker.

I think it's just matter of getting used to again.

Regardless of my desires, losing 20k is not an option so, we'll see what the future brings. I can always get a ZL1 M6 later on.

Question to keep the debated heated up... This is the 2nd or 3rd manual car I found with less than 5k miles. Do people purchase them, and find out the hard way it is a lot of work and trade them in?

I think that settles it.

Learn to love the A10, you'll find plenty of fans of that trans here to begin with , and perhaps build your LT1 into a monster with that extra $18k.


In fact, what I'd do (and did) is improve the car in increments, that way it always felt almost like getting a new car. For example, the 1LE wheels and PS4S tires I upgraded to pushed my SS into a different realm of cornering and maneuvering capability. The supercharger alone added a cool 200 crank hp, then later the forged engine bottom end, upgraded fuel system, LT headers, cam, flex fuel etc. ( everything else you see in my sig) added another almost 200 hp overall—every time you add 50 hp or more, you will feel the difference.

Of course this whole shebang and having it done in steps cost me way more than $18k, but this is just an example, not a verbatim recommendation and I now have my perfect forever Camaro.