[Sephx1]

In this morning’s local news. Sad for all involved.

https://www.azfamily.com/2023/07/04/...north-phoenix/

[Mike818]

Tragic

[jjgi5150]

Indeed, very tragic. DUI or not, another tragedy caused by yet another arrogant A-hole driver.

I really wish this state would develop a much more strict traffic enforcement attitude.

[Camfab]

So typical, driver causes wreckage and survives, three others die. We all have a love of speed and this guy may have been drunk, but the reality is that it can happen at any time. Excessive speed is something we all need to think about, I’m not judging, the man upstairs has looked out for me, because while not drunk, I’ve done some really stupid shit in my life. I do my best to not repeat my past vehicular behavior.

[Allez]

With great power comes great responsibility . . .

[Vigilante375]

Originally Posted by jjgi5150

Indeed, very tragic. DUI or not, another tragedy caused by yet another arrogant A-hole driver.

I really wish this state would develop a much more strict traffic enforcement attitude.

There are laws in place but guess what? Lawyers are able to get those people out of trouble or the police don't want to enforce it. Adding more laws on top of more laws isn't going to help when the police choose when to enforce it.

There is never going to be a correct way to keep people from speeding or just reckless driving in general.

[302crossram]

21yo shithead with 650hp... great

[2023_ZL1-AUTO]

It's not just that guy... what the heck is going on with people just blatantly running red lights like all the time like non-stop. I bet 90% of the red light intersections I'm at, people are running the red light. I don't mean by the car that was going on the yellow.
I mean 2 and 3 cars that have solid red lights for their direction. I can't tell you how many times a week I would have been plowed into if I had not looked multiple times both ways after I got the green light to go, that I would have been hit broad side. I really think anymore it's a majority of people just literally do not obey street laws. My wife was hit broadside 5 years ago but a drive that said "I just didn't see the light had turned red". BS... a total B-T-CH that was probably texting and not paying attention to the road. WTF !

[Cardiak]

Originally Posted by Vigilante375

There are laws in place but guess what? Lawyers are able to get those people out of trouble or the police don't want to enforce it. Adding more laws on top of more laws isn't going to help when the police choose when to enforce it.

There is never going to be a correct way to keep people from speeding or just reckless driving in general.

I'm surprised manufactures haven't implemented speed limiters on vehicles like with fleet trucks. Obviously people would find a way to get them removed but if caught, automatic major fine and license suspension.

[Cardiak]

I'm surprised manufactures haven't implemented speed limiters on vehicles like with fleet trucks. Obviously people would find a way to get them removed but if caught, automatic major fine and license suspension.

[FarmerFran]

Sorry do not click links. Can I get a briefing?

[Z OH 6]

Driver age and likely alcohol are the biggest contributors here.

[Vigilante375]

Originally Posted by Cardiak

I'm surprised manufactures haven't implemented speed limiters on vehicles like with fleet trucks. Obviously people would find a way to get them removed but if caught, automatic major fine and license suspension.

Japan has this (I think) but you know Americans will fight it and all the conspiracy theoriest say that the Government will do that with EVs.

But with speed limiters, that won't stop red light/stop sign runners or people weaving in and out of traffic, etc.

Originally Posted by FarmerFran

Sorry do not click links. Can I get a briefing?

ZL1 1LE ran red light. Passenger killed, driver survived. Waiting on toxicology report for the driver.

Hit a Traverse that hit a Subaru. Traverse driver and passenger killed (ejected because of no seat belt). Subaru driver and passenger minor injuries.

[2SS Capt]

Originally Posted by FarmerFran

Sorry do not click links. Can I get a briefing?

The car was a white ZLE...



PHOENIX (3TV/CBS 5) -- Three people are dead and two others are hospitalized after a crash near Interstate 17 in north Phoenix.

The crash happened just after 11 p.m. Monday along 28th Avenue and Thunderbird Road, not far from the on/off-ramps of the freeway. Police say a Chevrolet Camaro was westbound on Thunderbird when it ran a red light at the I-17 southbound access intersection and collided with a Chevrolet Traverse that was heading south on the access road. After that collision, the Traverse then collided with a Subaru that was stopped at a red light.

When officers arrived, the Camaro was engulfed in flames. Fire crews removed a passenger from that car, who has since been identified as 21-year-old Esteban Espinoza-Lopez. He was rushed to a hospital where he later died. The driver was able to get out of the car before it caught fire.

The driver of the Traverse, 54-year-old Majid Al Juhaishi, was taken to a hospital where he also died from his injuries. A passenger in the Traverse, 41-year-old Tessa Jeffrey, was not wearing a seatbelt and was ejected from the SUV. First responders found her on the roadway near the crash site and she was pronounced dead at the scene.

A man and woman who were in the Subaru were treated for non-life-threatening injuries and have since been released from the hospital.

Police say charges are pending for the 22-year-old man who was driving the Camaro. He was initially detained by officers but has since been released pending the results of toxicology reports. His name has not been released.

Thunderbird Road was closed from I-17 to 29th Avenue during the investigation but has since reopened.