[bigd1276]

Originally Posted by jamala00

Another thread turned into yet another EV discussion... Will people never learn that EV discussions are no different then politics or religion discussions. People are on one side or the other and you are not going to convince anyone of anything... No matter how many times you repeat it.

Respectfully disagree. You can be on both sides, as long as there remains the choice.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by Wyzz Kydd

I wouldn’t cross the street to piss on Mary’s head if it was on fire.

Guessing you don’t own GM stock, lol.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by Wyzz Kydd

I wouldn’t cross the street to piss on Mary’s head if it was on fire.

Originally Posted by 90503

You should review your numerous posts condescendingly calling NVH "vroom vroom" in response to those who enjoy it in their ICE cars as if it's an insignificant feature to be ignored in favor of EV acceptance.

It’s not condescending. Go back and read allllllll the other posts supporting the sound of a sweet exhaust. I’ve stated many, many times how I miss the exhaust of my SS sedan.

I’m merely pointing out that it’s the last hang up.

If typing vroom vroom is interpreted as condescending I’ll find some other way to convey exhaust noise.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

Because of the shadow area issue. Cruze sales were still very good when GM canceled it. But it didn’t work in CAFE planning because the small shadow area (the area between the tire contact patches) required an all but unattainable mpg target. GM does have several “low roof” EV concepts in the works, including a Buick (currently no cars) and maybe two or more Chevrolets. One is most likely a Camaro.

I get the formula, but all of the OEMs from Asia seem to have kept their cars AND SUVs.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by Number 3

I get the formula, but all of the OEMs from Asia seem to have kept their cars AND SUVs.

They didn’t have to balance 1/2 ton pickups and full size SUVs (until recently) so they could actually field CAFE compliant car portfolios. Even though Car and Truck fleets are measured separately, there is some sharing of credits across the two. The domestics had actually fallen into positions of using Truck fleet over performance to offset Car fleet under performance. So they gradually got rid of cars that don’t do well in the shadow area scheme (Cruze, Focus, Fiesta).

[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

They didn’t have to balance 1/2 ton pickups and full size SUVs (until recently) so they could actually field CAFE compliant car portfolios. Even though Car and Truck fleets are measured separately, there is some sharing of credits across the two. The domestics had actually fallen into positions of using Truck fleet over performance to offset Car fleet under performance. So they gradually got rid of cars that don’t do well in the shadow area scheme (Cruze, Focus, Fiesta).

A germane example of how government intervention invariably 1) distorts the market by moving goalposts arbitrarily and 2) achieves the opposite of the stated goal, ie helping the environment—manufacturers moved towards big, polluting, gas guzzling SUVs and truck because those were exempt or less affected by regulation.

[ember1205]

Originally Posted by arpad_m

A germane example of how government intervention invariably 1) distorts the market by moving goalposts arbitrarily and 2) achieves the opposite of the stated goal, ie helping the environment—manufacturers moved towards big, polluting, gas guzzling SUVs and truck because those were exempt or less affected by regulation.

And now the move to EV's is simply moving the pollution to the generation plants. EV's do not represent independence from fossil fuels when we are still burning fossil fuels to generate the electricity.

And let's not even start down the path of much is "costs" our environment to produce the batteries in the first place...

[90503]

Funny how this "shadow" business was never mentioned as a justification for ending sedans like the Cruz. It was going to be replaced with the Blazer SUV. It was always that sedans were out of favor and SUVs were all the public was "choosing" to buy. Guess there was more to it. Even early EVs designed as sedans was explained away as being in the works and built before sedans became unpopular....lol

My how stories change. This whole automotive world is complete croc with EVs leading they way.

Don't forget...: 2 + 2 = 5.

[AZCamaroFan]

Originally Posted by Wyzz Kydd

I wouldn’t cross the street to piss on Mary’s head if it was on fire.

my anger hasn't gotten past the 2019 "stylists"

[302crossram]

looks green to me

[Joshinator99]

Originally Posted by arpad_m

A germane example of how government intervention invariably 1) distorts the market by moving goalposts arbitrarily and 2) achieves the opposite of the stated goal, ie helping the environment—manufacturers moved towards big, polluting, gas guzzling SUVs and truck because those were exempt or less affected by regulation.

[triggerjerk]

Originally Posted by 302crossram

looks green to me

Don't forget the starving children in africa mining cobalt by hand.
So progressive and caring!

[Xaxas]

Originally Posted by triggerjerk

Don't forget the starving children in africa mining cobalt by hand.
So progressive and caring!

~Sent from my smartphone

[2cnd chance]

Would a great looking, handling, braking, quick and fast Camaro be enough without the rumble, instead of no Camaro at all?