[NYTMARE23]

Originally Posted by Realist

I would take the ZL1 all day everyday too. If it’s gift I’m taking the Dodge, selling and buying a ZL1 and investing the difference. I do like the looks of the Challengers and what Dodge has done with them. But I really would have liked if they shrunk size down to 8/10th of what they are and focused more on handling for turns too.

Agreed!!

[2023ZL1]

COBRA JET MUSTANG, COPO CAMARO AND DRAG PACK CHALLENGER ARE PURE DRAG CARS THAT CAN NOT BE INSURED FOR STREET USE, NOT EVEN SURE IF THEY COME WITH VIN#'S.
DEMON'S ARE PRODUCTION DRAG CARS THAT YOU CAN INSURE.

[Camfab]

Originally Posted by 2023ZL1

COBRA JET MUSTANG, COPO CAMARO AND DRAG PACK CHALLENGER ARE PURE DRAG CARS THAT CAN NOT BE INSURED FOR STREET USE, NOT EVEN SURE IF THEY COME WITH VIN#'S.
DEMON'S ARE PRODUCTION DRAG CARS THAT YOU CAN INSURE.

The COPO does not come with a VIN#, just a bill of sale.

[FRANK121]

How many Hellcats, Challengers and Demons do you see on a road course?

[JSH]

Originally Posted by FRANK121

How many Hellcats, Challengers and Demons do you see on a road course?

Uh oh, the irrefutable card has been played

[WhiteMale]

Originally Posted by FRANK121

How many Hellcats, Challengers and Demons do you see on a road course?

There it is

[triggerjerk]

I want to know how Dodge got an OHV motor to make 900hp on pump gas and pass emissions.

Ford had to reduce the 5.0 by 10hp. GM hasn't given the LT1 a power bump . . .

[Speedycrw]

IF....a big IF...I ever get my ZL1....ordered one in early Oct. 22...still crickets from the dealer....I am sure I am going to LOVE it....especially since I have been wheel to wheel road racing for the last 20 years. That said.....I tried like hell to get a Demon 170. Completely badass from the FACTORY car. Gotta give Dodge kudos for building an insane, all out, singular purpose car with a factory warranty. Guess I will have to mod my 2015 hellcat.

[Puddin]

Originally Posted by NYTMARE23

That's fine. Let Dodge "take" the 1/4 and 0-60 times...I personally don't care. I'll take my ZL1 over that thing ANY day of the week. I prefer a car that can go fast in a straight line AND handle/corner like a champ...not some heavy boat that corners like a dump truck and can only go straight..yes for SOME that wil be good enough, but for MOST, people want something that handles also.

Switch the "Some" with "Most" and you've got it right. Very few care about how a car handles especially around a track as most don't ever see one. Red light to red light or roll racing is what most are interested in.

[FarmerFran]

Wrench in thread,

Plaid hit 8.x with tires and weight removal? And I bet more consistent, then can drive home and to work all next week.

[Z OH 6]

Originally Posted by FarmerFran

Wrench in thread,

Plaid hit 8.x with tires and weight removal? And I bet more consistent, then can drive home and to work all next week.

100%, cue the people that say EVs have no soul.

[FarmerFran]

Originally Posted by Z OH 6

100%, cue the people that say EVs have no soul.

Q - Fran, Neither do automatics - but they are faster

[Z OH 6]

Originally Posted by FRANK121

How many Hellcats, Challengers and Demons do you see on a road course?

There's more than you think but they weren't designed as sports cars, they were designed as muscle cars. They are the best that.

[Camfab]

Originally Posted by Z OH 6

100%, cue the people that say EVs have no soul.

Yeah I love the electric cars have no soul line…….
A bit over a 100 years ago the same backward thinkers were crying because the automobile had no soul compared to the horse they were riding, as it shit all over the place. Now the machine suddenly has a soul. They say history repeats itself, you think?