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If the Camaro EV looks similar to the Ferrari Purosangue SUV (with a V12), with its rear-hinged (suicide) rear doors, it'll sell well.
BTW, there's huge demand for EVs, and of course the shift away from ICE will be incremental, especially for commercial vehicles. But it will happen because there's money to be made, along with human ingenuity and smarts that don't suddenly disappear in spite of the luddite few. Car makers listen to consumers collectively. |
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Of course carmakers listen to consumers when it concerns their profits. They will dictate whether they want EVs or not. Manufacturers follow the profits. The performance vehicle segment is small and only Ford is willing to please enthusiasts like us with a new ICE Mustang generation. In the US they need to convince every market of consumer to go EV. Some countries are easier than others but I think it will be more difficult in the US.
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03-28-2023, 05:50 AM | #91 | |
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The point about money to be made is true, though, and indeed ICE development has reached a plateau, so left alone the technology would carve out a final niche and stay there while EVs ramp up (and eventually do the same), nobody is arguing that. Finally, carmakers, just like most modern corporations, play the perception game and have gone well beyond listening to the customer.
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And the Camaro isn’t a sports car, it’s a sporty car. The Gen 6 failed, sadly, almost like the Gen 5 did. V8 sales were robust until the end. Lower trims were in the tank. If I recall the Gen 4 numbers, V8s sold pretty close to Mustang V8 volumes at the end. Overall volume couldn’t keep the plant running.
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03-28-2023, 06:19 AM | #93 |
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@arpad_m, the yellow highlight in your last post points out part of the reason for the demise of sedans and the rise of CUV. Those mpg targets are for cars. For smaller cars the numbers have to be even higher to balance out the numbers from larger cars. Set that aside for a second. The targets for trucks are lower because lawmakers understand a little bit of physics and realize bigger vehicles weigh more and will get lower fuel economy. Most CUVs get classified as trucks and have lower fuel economy targets than cars with the same shadow footprint (wheelbase x track). That’s why most OEMs might have one or two cars and 5 or 6 CUVs and SUVs. It’s easier to balance CAFE.
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Base Camaro = sporty car Camaro SS = (toss up?) Camaro 1LE and above = sports car. Agree or disagree, but the level of performance that can be had with the 6th gen, makes it a true sports car. It may not be a Corvette, but when you have levels of performance that encroach into that territory and beyond, I think it deserves to be recognized as a sports car. ...aaand I'm out.
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03-28-2023, 10:44 AM | #98 |
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what someone views as a sports car has been up for debate for decades. for some they cannot have back seats. well a 911 has a back seat, and so do some Ferrari's. Some said they had to be convertibles. it use to be a Camaro couldn't be because it had a live axle (even though a lot of old sports cars did too) well that's long since gone. when you look at the Camaro's handling performance, the notion that it's not a sports car at this point is not very credible.
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