[Wyzz Kydd]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Ok, I’ll ask nice. Just stop with this.

First most toasters are stainless and that didn’t last beyond the Delorean.

You may not like the look, but the Taycan, eTron GT, Model S, MB EQS are not toasters or even close. You may not like EVs and that's cool, but the GMC Hummer, Lyriq and Blazer EV and OMG Celestiq are wonderfully styled in their own unique ways.

Again, absolutely ok that an EV doesn’t work for you or even if you mistakenly think it’s the government. Just stop with the none of themlook good. That’s just flat out not true.

Think it's the government? LOL. CARB IS the governemnt.

I think they look like crap too, particularly the Taycan.

[Devstrike]

Originally Posted by Number 3

If you tow, you will see a degradation just like gas and diesel trucks that tow. But the recent magazine test was pretty condemning of EV performance but everyone forgets the gas engine GMC in the test also sucked big time.

But to your point, the Lightning and upcoming Silverado will satisfy 90% of pickup buyers. Most people that buy a pickup don’t tow…..at all. So 300 miles of EV range will be just fine and it still comes down to charging time and convenience. Now not in the test was towing a jet ski or motorcycles. That will be much better than 90 miles and make towing less of a concern. Time will answer this question and customer dollars will determine the victor.

What I can definitely see in California, is a business that refurbishes older cars to like new condition. How about paying 80% of new for a used car with a rebuilt drivetrain and brakes and suspension and deep cleaning inside and out? That business is coming and a California just created it.

I had a 2018 Tundra that could tow 8000 and could go 300 miles before fill up going a reasonable speed it had a 38 gallon tank. The Ram 2500 we have now towing that weight a little less or more is a gas as well can go 300ish as well. The terrain is not flat either. Both trucks get around 9-11 mpg depending on the type of trailer. The GMC truck must have had a smaller tank. EV trucks are still far behind imo for that reason.

The Refurbish business has actually already started going big when manufacturers like GM started to say they are phasing out ICE. A year ago I thought I would be alone in the ICE performance vehicle upkeep but I guess I am not. There are a lot of people that prefer ICE for Dailies even. The Automakers that do not make ICE vehicles are going to have huge competition in the coming years with this business. That being said 17 states are suing California over the ban of gas engines by 2035 and Virginia is taking themselves off California emission standards. Has a high chance of making it to the supreme court which also has a decent chance of favoring those 17 states.

[redcoats1976]

some electric cars look borderline sporty,but as long as the wifes civic coupe gets 35-44 mpg it will be a long time before i invest in an EV.just came back from a 3 day vacation,350 miles without needing any fuel.came home with almost 1/4 tank left and filled up.just over 9 gallons and 31 bucks worth.i wouldnt consider a 4 door car sporty,but thats just my personal quirk.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by Chrome383Z

Probably, however these type of businesses have been around for decades… in Cuba.

I know Cuba keeps crappy old cars around. Great news they have an industry making them like new again with total rebuilds.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by Wyzz Kydd

Think it's the government? LOL. CARB IS the governemnt.

I think they look like crap too, particularly the Taycan.

Sorry, Federal is what everyone has been complaining about anfpd that’s what I meant. Sorry to confuse you.

[redcoats1976]

Originally Posted by Number 3

I know Cuba keeps crappy old cars around. Great news they have an industry making them like new again with total rebuilds.

hell yeah...ima gonna loot my 401k and go buy some 69 camaros.

[raptor5244]

Originally Posted by Junction65

Here’s How Much A 2012 Chevy Volt Battery Pack Replacement Could Cost

I don't think that is accurate. If so, the battery costs more than the car.

A Tesla Model 3 battery that is much larger costs about $15k.

There is also more to that story...

[Wyzz Kydd]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Sorry, Federal is what everyone has been complaining about anfpd that’s what I meant. Sorry to confuse you.

No worries. I’m capable of distinguishing between federal and state governments. I’m glad the fact that it’s a state government infringing on your rights and not the federal government makes you feel better. Hopefully we can limit the impact of the green fascists to the states that elect them, like California, New York and Illinois.

[Wyzz Kydd]

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/08/28/ev-m...ion-costs.html

[Two Lane Black Top]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Ok, I’ll ask nice. Just stop with this.

First most toasters are stainless and that didn’t last beyond the Delorean.

You may not like the look, but the Taycan, eTron GT, Model S, MB EQS are not toasters or even close. You may not like EVs and that's cool, but the GMC Hummer, Lyriq and Blazer EV and OMG Celestiq are wonderfully styled in their own unique ways.

Again, absolutely ok that an EV doesn’t work for you or even if you mistakenly think it’s the government. Just stop with the none of themlook good. That’s just flat out not true.

Definitely not into drinking the cool-aid of a false religion like "EV's are wonderful" at this stage of their development. When battery swap stations are commonly available and one can pick up a fresh battery in five minutes, then their era will have arrived.

Most EV's look like a budget designer drug inspired cross between a dust buster and an electric razor. Ten years to sort out the pathetic styling seems reasonable given its current appearance.

The Blazer EV gets a pass, the rest are fugly in my honest opinion.

Fugly EV's are nice for someone else's garage but will never be allowed in mine.

I do think things will gradually improve as traditional auto makers enter the market with their EV's designs.

[Junction65]

Originally Posted by raptor5244

I don't think that is accurate. If so, the battery costs more than the car.

A Tesla Model 3 battery that is much larger costs about $15k.

There is also more to that story...

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I think that was the point.

Based on your insinuation, what is "more to that story"... is it that 3rd party repair shops are cheaper than dealerships? Or something else?

Do you own an EV?

[raptor5244]

Originally Posted by Junction65

I think that was the point.

Based on your insinuation, what is "more to that story"... is it that 3rd party repair shops are cheaper than dealerships? Or something else?

Do you own an EV?

Just that the reality is the battery can be had for between 5-10k. $26k+ sounded ridiculous when a much larger Tesla Model 3 battery replacement is about $16k retail cost if you had to pay out of pocket, or if there was an insurance claim.

Yes I own a Tesla Model 3.

FWIW, the way all new EV battery warranties work is that they warranty the battery for at least 10 years/100,000 miles. The battery is also guaranteed to provide at least 70% of its rated range during the 10 year warranty period. If it drops below that then it is eligible to be replaced. Tesla can run remote diagnostics and check the health of your battery at any time.

I don't have a crystal ball but if a 10 year old, 100k mile EV needs a battery in 10 years. They will either be more affordable you you will be ready to sell the vehicle depending on the rest of the condition of it.

Here is an example of a Tesla Model 3 owner with over 300,000 miles on the original battery and brakes and he Supercharges it all the time, which is harder on the battery. The lower TCO for EVs is quite compelling.

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/t...ow-194534.html

[Junction65]

Originally Posted by raptor5244

I don't have a crystal ball but if a 10 year old, 100k mile EV needs a battery in 10 years. They will either be more affordable you you will be ready to sell the vehicle depending on the rest of the condition of it.

Here is an example of a Tesla Model 3 owner with over 300,000 miles on the original battery and brakes and he Supercharges it all the time, which is harder on the battery. The lower TCO for EVs is quite compelling.

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/t...ow-194534.html

From your link...

Having passed 310,000 miles with the original battery, this Tesla Model 3 certainly made history, at least among its brethren. This is the highest mileage Tesla Model 3 we know of, and it’s still going strong after all this time. According to its owner, the battery has lost around 20% of its original capacity. This might be on the high side, but considering his use-case scenario, it might actually be quite impressive.

The guy works as a courier and drives more than 300 miles every night, Monday to Friday. This also explains the high mileage after only four years on the road. As you’ve guessed by now, he drives 90% of the time at highway speed, which is not very taxing on the drivetrain. Nevertheless, he often needs to charge at Superchargers, which is known to take a toll on the battery.

Will be interesting to keep up with that one and see how it plays out. The battery is out of warranty and losing capacity at a good rate. Can't deny he got the miles out of it but what happens in the end? Battery replacement on his dime? Sell the car and if so what is the value of a worn out Telsa 3 needing a battery?

[raptor5244]

Originally Posted by Junction65

From your link...



Will be interesting to keep up with that one and see how it plays out. The battery is out of warranty and losing capacity at a good rate. Can't deny he got the miles out of it but what happens in the end? Battery replacement on his dime? Sell the car and if so what is the value of a worn out Telsa 3 needing a battery?

Correct, it is out of warranty. I guess it just becomes a financial exercise to see what makes more sense. But if you can get 300k miles out of the original battery and electric motors and still going I think you are ahead of the game. Maybe you can push a Toyota Corolla that far but you will need a lot more maintenance even on a cheap Corolla. Oil changes, tunes ups, trans/coolant flushes, differential, brake pads, fuel costs, etc.

The point here is that it illustrates how the simplicity of EVs lowers the TCO. In general, the battery and motor is going to outlast the current tech, suspension, etc.