[Wyzz Kydd]

Originally Posted by Gen6cyl

Remember the movie They Live that had Roddy Piper in it? I think They are running our government now.

Yeah, with the sunglasses that let him see aliens. For a B grade movie it was actually pretty good.

[Junction65]

Originally Posted by 95 imp

I have to disagree.

The colonists put up with a lot of BS from the crown before all hell broke loose.
The British made the final mistake of going for the guns...

Anyway, you can go to the DOI for the passage that defines our current state of affairs:

"Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

The history books compress time and forget the little day-to-day stuff. I am sure minor incidents happened after the Stamp Act or The Boston Tea Party that time has forgot. We, on the other hand, are watching a replay first hand in slow motion.

And, that old adage of "The more it changes, the more it stays the same". Some Americans were for the crown, others just wanted to "go along to get along", and then the "traitorous rebels". Much like we see today.

I think I read it was am estimated 10% of Americans that pushed for independence.

I was actually thinking World History not so much American History. Pol Pot, Stalin and Mao to name a few.

Your point does have merit however it is totally invalid because everyone knows Washington drove a Challenger when he fought the British.

[95 imp]

Originally Posted by Wyzz Kydd

The current approach to limiting citizen's ability to purchase things the government disapproves of is licensing and taxes.

Right now the things that are being regulated out of existence don't matter much to many people, but trust me, eventually they will get to something you do care about. Meat, or the ability to set your thermostat yourself, or what you're allowed to watch. All those are already being talked about as potential 'bad things', and more.

Truth!

The whole A/C and refrigerant thing...

Originally, CFC's were deemed "bad" (whether you agree or not, different story). The new "ozone safe" refrigerants came out, but were more expensive.

Solution? Government mandated production cuts to skew the market and raise the price. They also added a tax to increase the cost.

This way, it became uneconomical to repair old equipment.
Now that everyone has the new "ozone safe freon" A/C units, they have decided that this new stuff is causing Global Warming.

So, now the government is going to ban THAT freon. Prices are already climbing and we are now going thru that whole cycle again.

All the factories are clearing out old stock because they can't be sold after Jan 1, which means we are currently experiencing shortages. Carrier told me they had one particular commercial unit in stock in the state and it would be about 28 weeks (plus shipping time) for restock.

The other thing that's going to be exciting? The government has mandated 95% efficiency furnaces as the minimum allowed to be produced.

Sounds great on the surface...

Except the 80-90% furnaces use a metal flue pipe. 95% use plastic. Can you imagine what the bill will be to convert your 2 story (or basement) flue pipe from the unit to the roof?

Walls have be cut and patched, the installation of the flue, AND the cost of the very expensive unit.

The other option is a heat pump, (which is really the goal in all this), except that will cost you 1-1.5x (or more) than your A/C bill. All the while, you get "cool air" from your vent.

So, ya, Wyzz Kydd is spot on with his comment.

[ZED SLED]

Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes

I find living without paranoia to be much more pleasing.

So did the dog whose owner took one link a week out of his chain, until one day he found himself with his head jammed against the pole.
But not really paranoia, just situational awareness.

[USAFS197]

FFS this thread devolved so quickly. I'm confident that had to be the goal of the OP. How difficult it is for true civil discourse these days. It appears more prudent that people's need to win an argument usurps the application of empathy and perspective towards the person or people of the opposing view. Instead, we resort to ad hominem attacks and school yard insults to bolster our sense of self-righteousness.

[bigd1276]

Originally Posted by Gen6cyl

Remember the movie They Live that had Roddy Piper in it? I think They are running our government now.

"I'm here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum"

[Wyzz Kydd]

Originally Posted by bigd1276

"I'm here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum"

Love it.

[ST1LE]

Originally Posted by Wyzz Kydd

Yeah, with the sunglasses that let him see aliens. For a B grade movie it was actually pretty good.

Childhood memory! That movie was messed up haha.

[funked1]

Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes

I find living without paranoia to be much more pleasing.

Same here. I'm also glad I was raised in an environment that emphasizes personal responsibility and accountability instead of just blaming everything on the government, POC, globalist conspiracies, Jewish Space Lasers, etc.

[Wyzz Kydd]

Originally Posted by funked1

Same here. I'm also glad I was raised in an environment that emphasizes personal responsibility and accountability instead of just blaming everything on the government, POC, globalist conspiracies, Jewish Space Lasers, etc.

When someone fulfills a campaign promise I don't see how that's 'blaming everything on the government'. The whole premise of this thread is about two politicians who made campaign promises and then followed through. I haven't heard anything about POC or any of that other stuff. It would be cool if the Israelis had space lasers though!

"We're going to get rid of fossil fuels"

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov...iency-standard

[95 imp]

Originally Posted by Junction65

I was actually thinking World History not so much American History. Pol Pot, Stalin and Mao to name a few.

I'm picking up what you're layin' down. There is less than an inch difference why they got away with it and the British didn't....

Originally Posted by Junction65

Your point does have merit however it is totally invalid because everyone knows Washington drove a Challenger when he fought the British.

He was also fond of a 3 round burst...

[Aragorn]

Originally Posted by USAFS197

FFS this thread devolved so quickly. I'm confident that had to be the goal of the OP. How difficult it is for true civil discourse these days. It appears more prudent that people's need to win an argument usurps the application of empathy and perspective towards the person or people of the opposing view. Instead, we resort to ad hominem attacks and school yard insults to bolster our sense of self-righteousness.

Most likely as the results are predictable.

[bigd1276]

Originally Posted by USAFS197

FFS this thread devolved so quickly. I'm confident that had to be the goal of the OP. How difficult it is for true civil discourse these days. It appears more prudent that people's need to win an argument usurps the application of empathy and perspective towards the person or people of the opposing view. Instead, we resort to ad hominem attacks and school yard insults to bolster our sense of self-righteousness.

I would disagree completely. This discourse has been quite civil and I didn’t see any real name calling. Spirited debate should be welcome . Disagreeing is not being uncivil. Difference of opinion is not uncivil. We all love Camaros but can agree to disagree on politics. Real simple.