[Need4Camaro]

Originally Posted by TexasRed5.9

I am curious though, how many other old fart gearheads driving 6th gen Camaros such as myself remember a not so distant past, standing in your garage tuning a Holley 4 barrel on your SBC (or Rochester Quadrajunk, my sympathies) shaking your fist in the air and loudly proclaiming "Hell no I'll never drive a damned fuel injected car! Carburetors forever!" Seems like not that long ago for me.

I'm not opposed to the adoption to EV's, but I am opposed to the way they are being presented today as comparable replacement to ICE vehicles when they're not truly at that level, and how the market wants you to shift and change your driving behavior to adopt to a car that typically costs more upfront to purchase than a comparable ICE vehicle. The Hyndai Ioniq 5 and Kia EV6 for example cost about $15k more than their comparable ICE counterparts, which is well outside of the price range of the prospective buyer for those types of vehicles, but they have less range and require more adoption to utilize with current technology and infrastructure. EV's currently are an alternative to ICE vehicles, not a replacement for them. Now don't mistake me, they are still great vehicle's in their own right.. ..but we're not being fed the full truth about them.

I have no doubt that EV's are ultimately more efficient and the future, but unlike fuel injection, this shift isn't happening because of market demand presenting superior technology in terms of functionality, this shift is coming from the top with major bans of ICE vehicle productions by 2025 - 2035 in many countries and in some countries even banning used ICE vehicles from entering the market by 2030.

The other issue is, have you noticed that China has seemingly a much wider array of affordable EV vehicles (vehicles in the $30k price range) that actually offer decent range (300+ miles) and some even including swappable batteries (which eliminates range anxiety) where as in America we are told range anxiety is a psychological problem and we arent given many choices for affordable EV options? They are targeted toward the luxury car buyer. It makes me wonder if the transition has nothing to do with switching everyone to EV's, but rather take as many vehicles off the road and inhibit traveling altogether...

[David Gordon]

I read an article today about the Ford Lightening, if your traveling and in absolute no hurry it is ok, but it will never meet my needs, too many stops and too much time. The Mall has a few charging stations but are closed most of the day except between 7 & 11pm Open 4 hr a day..

[Gen6cyl]

I saw a news clip today about a electric nascar series next year. Dale Jr and other drivers said they were not excited about it.

[Alan47717]

Originally Posted by Need4Camaro

I'm not opposed to the adoption to EV's, but I am opposed to the way they are being presented today as comparable replacement to ICE vehicles when they're not truly at that level, and how the market wants you to shift and change your driving behavior to adopt to a car that typically costs more upfront to purchase than a comparable ICE vehicle. The Hyndai Ioniq 5 and Kia EV6 for example cost about $15k more than their comparable ICE counterparts, which is well outside of the price range of the prospective buyer for those types of vehicles, but they have less range and require more adoption to utilize with current technology and infrastructure. EV's currently are an alternative to ICE vehicles, not a replacement for them. Now don't mistake me, they are still great vehicle's in their own right.. ..but we're not being fed the full truth about them.

I have no doubt that EV's are ultimately more efficient and the future, but unlike fuel injection, this shift isn't happening because of market demand presenting superior technology in terms of functionality, this shift is coming from the top with major bans of ICE vehicle productions by 2025 - 2035 in many countries and in some countries even banning used ICE vehicles from entering the market by 2030.

The other issue is, have you noticed that China has seemingly a much wider array of affordable EV vehicles (vehicles in the $30k price range) that actually offer decent range (300+ miles) and some even including swappable batteries (which eliminates range anxiety) where as in America we are told range anxiety is a psychological problem and we arent given many choices for affordable EV options? They are targeted toward the luxury car buyer. It makes me wonder if the transition has nothing to do with switching everyone to EV's, but rather take as many vehicles off the road and inhibit traveling altogether...

One of truly ironic pieces of the EV issue is that, to keep up with increasing demand, more electricity is and is going to be generated with coal and natural gas.

That won't be a problem though, I'm sure the coal industry isn't lying to us about "clean capture" technology being "just around the corner".

[Gen6cyl]

I'm sure our government can make owning and operating a ev more expensive than a ic today.

[90503]

Originally Posted by BuckeyeROC

Well, so far our weekly power outage has lasted 12 hours and counting. I can't imagine what the extra load would do to our grid here. I fired up our generator today and burnt... gasoline to make electricity all day.

If only you could see the ultimate purpose of your suffering, it will all soon be revealed. The Great Green Transition requires that you not complain, as there may be consequences. The inevitable future isn't that far off. We are experiencing many things foreseen before....Good luck to us all.

Perhaps your troubles can be lessened by reviewing the link below and realizing the same inevitable conclusion is possible.

https://www.bustle.com/p/the-last-li...rature-8560347

[Need4Camaro]

See, here is a big issue I have with EV’s in the U.S. right now…

https://cnevpost.com/2022/07/21/nio-...elivery-in-q4/

Looks innovative no?

But it’s only in China. None of the big improvements in range and charging technology have happened here. The best that Tesla has done was told us we should be okay with less range and gave us an app to help ‘autopilot’ us to the closest charging station.

[CHASLT1]

There is no true green car. Just get gas prices back to sub $3 a gal for prem for 3+ years and i will buy a used C8 if prices ever get back to normal. The SS blazer is a crazy $65k and looks like most any SUV out there. For that kind of money just as well get a used Vette.

[raptor5244]

Originally Posted by TexasRed5.9

As far as EV cars go (no touching the political aspect of this thread) there have been a lot of good points made on both sides of the issue. I agree that EV will be the future, no doubt. I also agree that the current infrastructure isn't ready for it, perfect example is the recent grid issues in Texas and elsewhere with this heat wave. When EV's reach a point where range and charging time are a moot point and battery replacement doesn't require a loan, then I'm sure I'll end up with one as a daily, or even better make the wife drive it!

I am curious though, how many other old fart gearheads driving 6th gen Camaros such as myself remember a not so distant past, standing in your garage tuning a Holley 4 barrel on your SBC (or Rochester Quadrajunk, my sympathies) shaking your fist in the air and loudly proclaiming "Hell no I'll never drive a damned fuel injected car! Carburetors forever!" Seems like not that long ago for me.

The issue with EVs for a lot of tire shredding gear-heads is the lack gears and sound. EVs will be fast and despite the weight of the battery they will handle quite well but when you remove the V8 engine exhaust note and the driving engagement you get with a transmission it gets kind of boring.

[TexasRed5.9]

Originally Posted by raptor5244

The issue with EVs for a lot of tire shredding gear-heads is the lack gears and sound. EVs will be fast and despite the weight of the battery they will handle quite well but when you remove the V8 engine exhaust note and the driving engagement you get with a transmission it gets kind of boring.

I absolutely agree 100%. When I was a kid my Dad was a police officer and drove a 1978 Dodge Monaco interceptor with the 440. The sound of that 4 barrel when it would kick in is something I can still hear in my head and is what I attribute to my lifelong passion for all things automotive. As someone else stated, an EV will have all the audio excitement of a glorified golf cart. I feel sorry for my grand kids.

[CHASLT1]

Originally Posted by raptor5244

The issue with EVs for a lot of tire shredding gear-heads is the lack gears and sound. EVs will be fast and despite the weight of the battery they will handle quite well but when you remove the V8 engine exhaust note and the driving engagement you get with a transmission it gets kind of boring.

That is what i miss most in my EV is no sound. Miss the NNP in a box with no cats in my 2013 C6.

[Hops]

Originally Posted by raptor5244

The issue with EVs for a lot of tire shredding gear-heads is the lack gears and sound. EVs will be fast and despite the weight of the battery they will handle quite well but when you remove the V8 engine exhaust note and the driving engagement you get with a transmission it gets kind of boring.

I see so many models 3's in my area.... as capable as the car is, and how effortless i'm told ev acceleration is, i'm surprised how sedate the drivers are. Almost every time i see a tesla first at a stop light, they pull away with the same lazy disengaged pace as every one else. I mean i do save my fun driving for the track... but if i have open road ahead, i'm putting my foot down for a little bit, even in my wifes Traverse... LOL.

[raptor5244]

Originally Posted by Hops

I see so many models 3's in my area.... as capable as the car is, and how effortless i'm told ev acceleration is, i'm surprised how sedate the drivers are. Almost every time i see a tesla first at a stop light, they pull away with the same lazy disengaged pace as every one else. I mean i do save my fun driving for the track... but if i have open road ahead, i'm putting my foot down for a little bit, even in my wifes Traverse... LOL.

Yeah, there are a wide range of personalities that buy Tesla EVs. You have Green supporters that will try to maximize range at all costs by putting super low roll resistant tires, aero wheel covers and keep speed to a max of 65mph on the highway, etc. Then you have the performance folks who enjoy max acceleration but the novelty wears off after a little while. It just doesn't seem as fun to me without the gears, vibration and sound. If you follow the Tesla forums you will find folks who track their Tesla Model 3s. The Model 3 Performance does have a track mode and there are quite a few suspension and brakes kits available now. Pricy but available.

The biggest issue with the Model 3 Performance I owned was how software limited the cars is. You would expect a car with 500ft lbs of torque to be able to shred the tires if you want. You can't, the nannies keep the car so restricted that it is not really playful or a true performance car in my opinion. Even in Track Mode it doesn't feel right, partly because it uses open diffs with software to manage the system. If fact, they even sell an aftermarket LSD for the Model 3 now so it feels more mechanical on track vs the artificial software limited experience.

I think that is the real advancement I would need to in performance EVs before I would buy one again. They either need to put a motor on each wheel so that you don't even need an LSD anymore and they need to have drive modes so that EVs feel more playful. Currently, they are tuned to be extra safe due to all the instant torque. This is a good idea in general but a performance trim should have the option to relax the nannies if we want.

I see the new Blazer SS EV will have a WOW mode, Wide Open Watts. So, you push a button so that you can extract more power for a pull? Lame...

[LT1gen6]

Originally Posted by raptor5244

I see the new Blazer SS EV will have a WOW mode, Wide Open Watts. So, you push a button so that you can extract more power for a pull? Lame...

Maybe put a N2O sticker over the WOW button and you'll feel better. .