[turbo_jimbo]

The AWE exhaust on my other car deleted the exhaust control also. As awesome as it sounds, sometimes I just want it to shut up for a minute. Drones at anything less than 4,000 RPM could be avoided with a mechanism to use parts already supplied by the OEM.

On track, I couldn't ask for more. On the streets, I'm usually wanting less... But that isn't on a Camaro either.

[Sara/AWE]

Originally Posted by clg82

The AWE website only (as far as i can tell) has "non" resonated sound clips. Do you have any with the "180 technology resonators" I can hear? What's the point of the resonators if you can just add valves and run with the non resonated version? Not trying to be a smarty pants, as I am seriously considering changing from my Borla to an AWE. And is the touring or track catback exhaust a "switchpath" exhaust?

SwitchPath refers to our valved systems. If you are looking for 180 Technology, any Touring Edition exhaust has our 180 Technology resonators.

When it says resonated or non- resonated it refers to the front-pipes. Sometimes those who are running other aftermarket pieces want an extra resonated section to take the edge off. A little confusing on that front.

There should be plenty of sound clips of the Touring Edition here and some customer submitted videos under #AWEinthewild.

[Sara/AWE]

Originally Posted by arpad_m

Sara, this is the same answer we get from you guys every time the topic comes up.

What those that are missing the valved exhaust from your lineup are saying is NPP provides an additional control step beyond one's right foot (in the way of drive modes) that change the exhaust note characteristics based on situations, not just pedal pressure, ie an additional dimension of control.

In other words, when I feel like turning on track exhaust mode, I want the exhaust to be loud most of the time, even at part throttle. When it's still dark at 5:30am and I drive out of the neighborhood, I don't want to drive at 10% throttle all the time just to have a quieter exhaust—I already have drive modes (aka profiles) that let me quiet the car down, even with the exact same accelerator action.

This is what AWE is asking people with NPP to give up. Some don't care and are fine with it, these are your happy customers. Others, however, don't understand the reluctance to acknowledge it and tell us flat out why you don't want to use your already existing technology (meaning minimal necessary extra validation) for an NPP compatible product.

If you think you would sell too few units, so be it, totally understandable as this is your business and your decision, but the single counterpoint you guys keep making ("180 technology is good enough, just use your right foot") is disingenuous.


Oh, and there have been quite a number of people here who already expressed interest in a valved system and appreciate the freaking amazing sound of your exhaust, even over Borla and other big names, so the point about sales numbers is at least worth a look IMO.

Not intending to be disingenuous at all, apologies if the cheeky-ness came off as so.

I understand that for some a fantastic sounding system is not enough to let go of the valves. I think the disconnect is the assumption that we have a valved system already loaded up ready to go and we won't give it to ya, totally not the case here, it would have to be a completely ground-up redesign.

The hang up is precisely what you said though, the interest in a valved system and those willing to pay more for it vs. the Touring Edition, when many are happy with the Touring Edition and its sound is the reason we did not develop one.

I truly appreciate the candid response and discussion. Part of my job here is to be a bridge between the community and AWE so it's not falling on deaf ears.

[clg82]

Originally Posted by Sara/AWE

Not intending to be disingenuous at all, apologies if the cheeky-ness came off as so.

I understand that for some a fantastic sounding system is not enough to let go of the valves. I think the disconnect is the assumption that we have a valved system already loaded up ready to go and we won't give it to ya, totally not the case here, it would have to be a completely ground-up redesign.

The hang up is precisely what you said though, the interest in a valved system and those willing to pay more for it vs. the Touring Edition, when many are happy with the Touring Edition and its sound is the reason we did not develop one.

I truly appreciate the candid response and discussion. Part of my job here is to be a bridge between the community and AWE so it's not falling on deaf ears.

Well it's not going anywhere either this has become a discussion on almost every AWE exhaust discussion I've ever read lol. And a "fantastic sounding system" is something we want just not at having to sacrifice the NPP valves that you've already proven you can incorporate in your other systems just not ours. What I think happened is the NPP was an after thought for the Camaro, and for those other exhausts (without knowing what the market wanted) AWE just developed the exhaust with it already incorporated.

[Z OH 6]

Originally Posted by Sara/AWE

Not intending to be disingenuous at all, apologies if the cheeky-ness came off as so.

I understand that for some a fantastic sounding system is not enough to let go of the valves. I think the disconnect is the assumption that we have a valved system already loaded up ready to go and we won't give it to ya, totally not the case here, it would have to be a completely ground-up redesign.

The hang up is precisely what you said though, the interest in a valved system and those willing to pay more for it vs. the Touring Edition, when many are happy with the Touring Edition and its sound is the reason we did not develop one.

I truly appreciate the candid response and discussion. Part of my job here is to be a bridge between the community and AWE so it's not falling on deaf ears.

Sara, the issue is that the AWE systems are designed to sound fantastic with the stock exhaust manifolds and stock catalytic convertors. Once a customer adds headers to these cars, the sound becomes VERY loud and without the valves, there's simply no way to control it. It's not that there's isn't demand, however I can't say who would be willing to pay more for valves but having the option of either exhaust system sounds like a fair compromise. All that being said, maybe AWE doesn't care if a customer adds headers as your product was not well suited to work with headers (even with the resonated version) which leaves customers to come up with other creative solutions to tame the sound without valves.

[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by Sara/AWE

Not intending to be disingenuous at all, apologies if the cheeky-ness came off as so.

I understand that for some a fantastic sounding system is not enough to let go of the valves. I think the disconnect is the assumption that we have a valved system already loaded up ready to go and we won't give it to ya, totally not the case here, it would have to be a completely ground-up redesign.

The hang up is precisely what you said though, the interest in a valved system and those willing to pay more for it vs. the Touring Edition, when many are happy with the Touring Edition and its sound is the reason we did not develop one.

I truly appreciate the candid response and discussion. Part of my job here is to be a bridge between the community and AWE so it's not falling on deaf ears.

Fair enough, and thank you very much for the details you shared. You coming here and investing time and effort into the community shows me that you genuinely care. Much, much appreciated.

I didn't mean to imply you already had that system loaded, ready to go, and you'd just want to mess with us, I am not naive or silly , I simply assume that since you have all parts and designs completed separately, this is mostly an integration job rather than new R&D. Not being an expert, I may well be off the mark.

On another note, though, you can see there is definite interest from Camaro prospects, not just in this thread but several others. I wish you had come to the platform sooner and we'd had this convo in 2017 or 2018 to make the value proposition more attractive... now that gm are about to discontinue the Camaro that is already selling well below typical Corvette levels, most owners who wanted an exhaust already bought one, and getting them to ditch a $1.5-2k+ Borla or Corsa setup for yours is a tough sell, no matter the quality.

[Sara/AWE]

Originally Posted by clg82

Well it's not going anywhere either this has become a discussion on almost every AWE exhaust discussion I've ever read lol. And a "fantastic sounding system" is something we want just not at having to sacrifice the NPP valves that you've already proven you can incorporate in your other systems just not ours. What I think happened is the NPP was an after thought for the Camaro, and for those other exhausts (without knowing what the market wanted) AWE just developed the exhaust with it already incorporated.

Not an afterthought on our end, just confident in the Touring Edition would be the go-to system for most enthusiasts.
I do get where you are coming from, and glad we can have a discussion around it.

Originally Posted by Z OH 6

Sara, the issue is that the AWE systems are designed to sound fantastic with the stock exhaust manifolds and stock catalytic convertors. Once a customer adds headers to these cars, the sound becomes VERY loud and without the valves, there's simply no way to control it. It's not that there's isn't demand, however I can't say who would be willing to pay more for valves but having the option of either exhaust system sounds like a fair compromise. All that being said, maybe AWE doesn't care if a customer adds headers as your product was not well suited to work with headers (even with the resonated version) which leaves customers to come up with other creative solutions to tame the sound without valves.

I hear ya loud and clear Z, but I have to disagree with you on that front. AWE cares greatly for those running our system and try to plan for those adding additional aftermarket components as best we can. That is why we added the optional resonators, and left additional clearance around the diff.

Originally Posted by arpad_m

Fair enough, and thank you very much for the details you shared. You coming here and investing time and effort into the community shows me that you genuinely care. Much, much appreciated.

I didn't mean to imply you already had that system loaded, ready to go, and you'd just want to mess with us, I am not naive or silly , I simply assume that since you have all parts and designs completed separately, this is mostly an integration job rather than new R&D. Not being an expert, I may well be off the mark.

On another note, though, you can see there is definite interest from Camaro prospects, not just in this thread but several others. I wish you had come to the platform sooner and we'd had this convo in 2017 or 2018 to make the value proposition more attractive... now that gm are about to discontinue the Camaro that is already selling well below typical Corvette levels, most owners who wanted an exhaust already bought one, and getting them to ditch a $1.5-2k+ Borla or Corsa setup for yours is a tough sell, no matter the quality.

Taking the time to listen, and share some insight is what I'm here for!

Will be sad to see the Camaro go, but hey Chevy has done this before then realized the error in their ways.

[clg82]

Sooooooo......can we get valves then orrrrrrrrr......cause i'd love to change my Borla our for yours

[Sara/AWE]

Originally Posted by clg82

Sooooooo......can we get valves then orrrrrrrrr......cause i'd love to change my Borla our for yours

Can't make any promises, but I do keep track of all feedback and requests that come along.

[Z OH 6]

Originally Posted by Sara/AWE

Not an afterthought on our end, just confident in the Touring Edition would be the go-to system for most enthusiasts.
I do get where you are coming from, and glad we can have a discussion around it.



I hear ya loud and clear Z, but I have to disagree with you on that front. AWE cares greatly for those running our system and try to plan for those adding additional aftermarket components as best we can. That is why we added the optional resonators, and left additional clearance around the diff.



Taking the time to listen, and share some insight is what I'm here for!

Will be sad to see the Camaro go, but hey Chevy has done this before then realized the error in their ways.

Good to know Sara, so customer feedback says resonators are not enough to keep the noise levels down with headers on these cars. It takes an additional muffler in the tunnel section of these cars or valves to control the sound. I think the AWE exhaust sounds PERFECT on these cars with the stock manifolds, really makes these cars sound as good as any car I've ever heard but once headers are added, it becomes a little overwhelming for the majority of people, resonators or not.