[1fastz28]

Originally Posted by Crushin_LT1

You mean voters in those states? - The People in those states, if you will.

I think that a persons medical decisions should be left up to the individual person, not the greater personhood of a state. Just like who a person marries, or what medications they take, etc. should be left up to the individual, not the state. Maybe I just prefer individual freedoms rather than government intervention.

[Hops]

i'm tired of the electric Camaro question. It's very difficult to answer at this point, there are are so few performance, driving enthusiast ev's we out there to form a thoughtful opinion. Then the conversation heads towards politics.... Well, this thread did inspire me to reach out to our local chevy dealer for ordering 2023 Camaro.... hope they have an allocation.

[Crushin_LT1]

Originally Posted by Hops

i'm tired of the electric Camaro question. It's very difficult to answer at this point, there are are so few performance, driving enthusiast ev's we out there to form a thoughtful opinion. Then the conversation heads towards politics.... Well, this thread did inspire me to reach out to our local chevy dealer for ordering 2023 Camaro.... hope they have an allocation.

Upgrading?

[Hops]

Originally Posted by Crushin_LT1

Upgrading?

sort of .... maybe a 2SS 1LE.

[Crushin_LT1]

Originally Posted by Hops

sort of .... maybe a 2SS 1LE.

Fully loaded, nice.

[Wyzz Kydd]

Originally Posted by 1fastz28

I think that a persons medical decisions should be left up to the individual person, not the greater personhood of a state. Just like who a person marries, or what medications they take, etc. should be left up to the individual, not the state. Maybe I just prefer individual freedoms rather than government intervention.

Do all the unborn children out there share your respect for a 'person's medical decisions?'

What about their medical decisions? Given the choice would they choose to be chopped into pieces, vacuumed out and thrown in the trash?

[1fastz28]

Originally Posted by Wyzz Kydd

Do all the unborn children out there share your respect for a 'person's medical decisions?'

What about their medical decisions? Given the choice would they choose to be chopped into pieces, vacuumed out and thrown in the trash?

An embryo is not a person, and these laws are going to get people killed. My best friends wife had an ectopic pregnancy and here in Texas they won't perform a termination unless the woman's life is in jeopardy, luckily this happened last year before the madness of this years decision had come into play. Old men should not be dictating the medical decisions of young women, especially when they don't know the ramifications of legislating medical procedures when they are not doctors. You pro life people go around as if someone 8 1/2 months and is crowning goes to the abortion clinic and has a power drilled sent up their ****** to kill a baby, its madness. These are personal medical decisions made between a woman and their doctor early on before the pregnancy is viable.

[m6-lt1]

Originally Posted by Wyzz Kydd

Do all the unborn children out there share your respect for a 'person's medical decisions?'

What about their medical decisions? Given the choice would they choose to be chopped into pieces, vacuumed out and thrown in the trash?

How about the children getting shot up in schools? I’m willing to bet you were ok with the scouts ruling on that a month ago which would imply you actually don’t care about born children. Had they voted the opposite to your liking, you would be just as annoyed as the other side is about the ruling the scotus made on the subject you or someone else decided to bring up in a thread about an electric car.

[Need4Camaro]

In all circumstances in law, our personal rights and freedoms end when another innocent life is put at risk. That is right to life. Infact one could even argue that for law to remain consistent in protecting life, that abortion would ‘have’ to be illegal… Therefore, abortion should be illegal. The real question shouldn’t be if abortion is illegal or not, but when does life begin, and that is where the real issue is, because it’s an argument between theological beliefs and science.

[ChevyRules]

Originally Posted by Need4Camaro

In all circumstances in law, our personal rights and freedoms end when another innocent life is put at risk. That is right to life. Infact one could even argue that for law to remain consistent in protecting life, that abortion would ‘have’ to be illegal… Therefore, abortion should be illegal. The real question shouldn’t be if abortion is illegal or not, but when does life begin, and that is where the real issue is, because it’s an argument between theological beliefs and science.

And science isn’t settled on it nor doubt it ever will.

Until then it is all opinion on when life begins.

For me it is viability outside the womb. Once past viability( the standard before roe was overturned), only time it would ever be acceptable is if it threatens the life of the mother or exceptions along those lines.

What’s going on now where states have no exceptions for life of the mother is beyond ridiculous.

[Need4Camaro]

Originally Posted by m6-lt1

How about the children getting shot up in schools? I’m willing to bet you were ok with the scouts ruling on that a month ago which would imply you actually don’t care about born children. Had they voted the opposite to your liking, you would be just as annoyed as the other side is about the ruling the scotus made on the subject you or someone else decided to bring up in a thread about an electric car.

I'm not okay with school shootings, but there is way more involved in the science of them than just gun laws and restricting gun rights. People who perform mass shootings do it for psychological reasons. They pre-meditate it, live it out in their mind, plan it.. ..and eventually carry it out.. No law is going to stop that, infact the person who performed the shooting in Uvalde passed a background check (those are still required by Federal Law, even in Texas.)... Data shows that California has the most school shootings since the 1970's.. ..Texas coming in second.. ..the statistic isn't driven by gun laws or protections, but is aligned with a states population...and both California and Texas are large states with large populations. Likewise, that same Memorial Day weekend, 40 innocent people were murdered in Chicago due to a mass shooting, but none of it made national news despite the death toll being twice as high. Each of these occurrences are sad, but the factor driving them is not law...and media publicity is largely positioned today in telling American's half-truths to posture them to support or believe one narrative and not the entire story. They are trying to make you think that you 'need' government to come in and fix things and make things right / equal.. ..but that isn't what they are going to do. They are just going to put us on a system that is designed to support big government and support any elitist that supports them. This will strip us of our rights, our freedom of choice (unless it coincides with their agenda), our ability to accrue wealth, and even our protections.

[Devstrike]

My mom in Connecticut told me she got a letter from her power provider. It said please do not charge vehicles and shut off any unnecessary appliances and as much as possible keep ac usage to a minimum during the current heat wave. LOL I will stick with ICE we are not ready for EVs. This doesn't mean I am against EVs it means I am against the idea of not having a choice and we are simply just not ready for it to be mainstream.



Since this got political I will say this I am an independent who has lived in three different states with different political affiliations and out of the three states the one I live in now (or states if you prefer since Kansas City area is in MO and KS) you definitely have more freedoms and a lot less power grabs in a Republican state than a Democrat one not to mention lower taxes etc. Kansas and Missouri also appear to be growing businesses helping out people that want to have choice and stick to ICE over EVs I want to see when I can to help financially by donating to it. Also the Republican states have higher costs for EV ownership it seems.

[m6-lt1]

Originally Posted by Need4Camaro

I'm not okay with school shootings, but there is way more involved in the science of them than just gun laws and restricting gun rights. People who perform mass shootings do it for psychological reasons. They pre-meditate it, live it out in their mind, plan it.. ..and eventually carry it out.. No law is going to stop that, infact the person who performed the shooting in Uvalde passed a background check (those are still required by Federal Law, even in Texas.)... Data shows that California has the most school shootings since the 1970's.. ..Texas coming in second.. ..the statistic isn't driven by gun laws or protections, but is aligned with a states population...and both California and Texas are large states with large populations. Likewise, that same Memorial Day weekend, 40 innocent people were murdered in Chicago due to a mass shooting, but none of it made global news. Each of these occurrences are sad, but the factor driving them is not law.

As a legal gun owner, I kind of agree with this however you posted above that “our personal rights and freedoms end when another innocent life is put at risk”. So by that logic you should believe in banning assault style weapons. I used to not believe in it (still kinda don’t but would like much harsher checks in regards to getting one) because I 100% guarantee you, someone intending to do damage with one of those will do significantly more damage with one of them than any handgun. For me to realize this finally, I went to a gun range recently and shot one and couldn’t believe how much more smooth and easier it was to shoot one of those types of weapons. Wound up wanting to buy one because of that. I’m not saying banning them (or making more checks and balances to get one which is what I personally would do) would stop ALL shootings, but I do believe it would significantly lesson the blow when a mass shooting occurs.

[Need4Camaro]

Originally Posted by m6-lt1

As a legal gun owner, I kind of agree with this however you posted above that “our personal rights and freedoms end when another innocent life is put at risk”. So by that logic you should believe in banning assault style weapons. I used to not believe in it (still kinda don’t but would like much harsher checks in regards to getting one) because I 100% guarantee you, someone intending to do damage with one of those will do significantly more damage with one of them than any handgun. For me to realize this finally, I went to a gun range recently and shot one and couldn’t believe how much more smooth and easier it was to shoot one of those types of weapons. Wound up wanting to buy one because of that. I’m not saying banning them (or making more checks and balances to get one which is what I personally would do) would stop ALL shootings, but I do believe it would significantly lesson the blow when a mass shooting occurs.

I stated 'innocent' lives, and I put 'innocent' there for a reason because I knew this was going to come up. We have the right to protect ourselves in the event we are hostiled upon, and guns are an excellent equalizer in that aspect. Guns are also a major opponent to corrupt government. The next major problem is, there is no firm definition of an assault riffle. Which guns do we ban and how do we categorize it? I agree that someone is likely not going to need any rapid-fire-weapon to defend himself but they do get the job done in the event of mobs. We have already made murder illegal.. ..hence the name murder is not the same as killing.. ..murder is to take away life without just cause.. ..killing tends to fit all categories (including murder).. ..but taking away life with just cause of self defense should have little to no restriction unless you put an innocent civilian at risk... ...but most sane gun owners are not going to be going to a shopping mall with an AR-15 holsted to their belt.

Overall my issue isn't so much that I don't want lives protected from guns, but rather government isn't taking guns away to protect life.. ..they're taking them away so that they are not a major opponent against corrupt government agenda.