[Wyzz Kydd]

Originally Posted by Dbmason29

I think everyone is comparing to the LT1 not thr 1LT

Sorry, I can never keep that sequence straight. One more reason I hate how Chevy tags the different versions of the Camaro. The LT1 is a bargain with that motor and chassis. It deserves a better name. Same for the 1LE.

Chevy lets accidental option codes end up as performance names, while Ford has the Cobra, Mach One, Bullitt, Boss.

Chevy is to performance naming what Honda is to body style.

[Dbmason29]

Originally Posted by Wyzz Kydd

Sorry, I can never keep that sequence straight. One more reason I hate how Chevy tags the different versions of the Camaro. The LT1 is a bargain with that motor and chassis. It deserves a better name. Same for the 1LE.

Chevy lets accidental option codes end up as performance names, while Ford has the Cobra, Mach One, Bullitt, Boss.

Chevy is to performance naming what Honda is to body style.

I totally agree with everything you said. Seems a lot of people keep getting confused with the 1lt an LT1. In fact i was speaking to a salesman at a local dealer an even they were confused at first

[ZPirate]

Originally Posted by lt4camaro

Steel rear suspensions bushings everywhere on the 1LE cars on a street driven car only...yeah they are rough. The 1LT will handle has well as a SS by just putting on michelin pilot sport 4s tires and increase the rear tire size to the SS size, fronts are the same size.

You obviously haven't ever driven a 1LE if you think it rides rough.

[ZPirate]

Originally Posted by s346k

anyone who thinks a ss 1LE rides rough is

a) too old to comment
b) too young to comment

those of us in the middle have all owned/ridden in cars that ride way worse. lowered 4th gens. 3rd gens on coil overs. lowered corvettes on stock bolts. hell my mazda 6 (touring) has a rougher ride than the 1LE in tour.

Amen! My Z, which is lowered on a Nismo suspension, rides a lot rougher than my 1LE in Track mode. Touring makes the car feel like a Cadillac in comparison.

[pzoom]

Originally Posted by s346k

anyone who thinks a ss 1LE rides rough is

a) too old to comment
b) too young to comment

those of us in the middle have all owned/ridden in cars that ride way worse. lowered 4th gens. 3rd gens on coil overs. lowered corvettes on stock bolts. hell my mazda 6 (touring) has a rougher ride than the 1LE in tour.

Haha I’ve been there! My 1LE is so comfortable in Touring it blows me away. I usually keep it in Sport except on long highway drives. And I’m in my 50s.

[Aragorn]

1LE for looks! Performing the seat mod makes it even better!

[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by Matt6951

If you consider the SS brakes “shoddy” then I guess.

You're right in that I should've qualified what I said, I meant the rear brakes and the discrepancy between front and rear.

The LT1 has SS front brakes and junkyard find looking, weak rear brakes. I do understand that front brakes do most of the work, so it probably doesn't reduce overall emergency stopping distance by a very large margin, but based on how the OP clearly expressed his priorities, one of which is good looking car/wheels, I presumed that staring at those gray Equinox/Malibu/Trax calipers isn't something he would opt for, even if losing a bit of braking power might be fine with him.

[Camden45]

Originally Posted by arpad_m

You're right in that I should've qualified what I said, I meant the rear brakes and the discrepancy between front and rear.

The LT1 has SS front brakes and junkyard find looking, weak rear brakes. I do understand that front brakes do most of the work, so it probably doesn't reduce overall emergency stopping distance by a very large margin, but based on how the OP clearly expressed his priorities, one of which is good looking car/wheels, I presumed that staring at those gray Equinox/Malibu/Trax calipers isn't something he would opt for, even if losing a bit of braking power might be fine with him.

I can't help myself that I'm still looking at the LT1. Just watched a video of some owners going over their gripes and they showed the rear brakes. Holy crap those things are pathetic looking. In the name of cost cutting, that's still a big slap to the face.

I love big ass brakes that fill the entire wheel barrel area. Obviously it can only be so big since they're 20" wheels regardless of trim, but it just means the rear looks that much worse.


Is the paint still incredibly brittle? Lots of reports of if you even sneeze on it, the paint will chip.

[6spdhyperblue]

Isn’t the paint like that on basically every new car these days?

Originally Posted by ZPirate

You obviously haven't ever driven a 1LE if you think it rides rough.

The 1LE running a set of SS runflats ..now that is rough.

The sc3 sidewalls soften up the ride a good amount, despite less sidewall.

Pull the runflats off the SS and it’s like a caddy, and doesn’t give up any handling. Really shows how great this chassis is.

[JamesNoBrakes]

If you have rough roads, it's the asymmetrical bumps that are the worst in a 1LE, the stiffer swaybars mean it transfers that bump and jerks the chassis pretty good. Running higher damping levels helps to calm this...but also results in a rougher ride. It's not like GT350R harsh or anything to that level, but it seems like the level of bumps people are mostly talking about are stuff the tires usually handle mostly, as in taller tires tend to make the biggest diff. I generally can't run the car in "tour" because of the above, the chassis movement is just all over the place and IME it's not "softer". Only when creeping over really small bumps does it seem to "help", with larger stuff like on the highway the lack of damping actually makes the impact harder IME and the chassis movement gets all over the place. Sport is my go-to and works well for everything. Track works well at the track. The faster you go, the more damping you need. But my original point is the sways on this really over-ride most other characteristics. This is where the rough ride is from. The rougher the place, the more this affects the car. Higher damping helps, but this is the main diff between this and less taught suspension setups IMO.

[JamesNoBrakes]

Originally Posted by ZPirate

Amen! My Z, which is lowered on a Nismo suspension, rides a lot rougher than my 1LE in Track mode. Touring makes the car feel like a Cadillac in comparison.

People do dumb stuff with cars, lowering them to the point of non-functional suspension. But they also don't necessarily drive them hard either, as in the rebound from those lowered setups may break stuff, or bottom out and break stuff. At that point, you have reached the pinnacle of "stiff" suspension.

[ZPirate]

Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes

People do dumb stuff with cars, lowering them to the point of non-functional suspension. But they also don't necessarily drive them hard either, as in the rebound from those lowered setups may break stuff, or bottom out and break stuff. At that point, you have reached the pinnacle of "stiff" suspension.

LOL! My Z is less than an inch lower than stock so it's pretty tame as far as lowering goes. It's set up for auto cross. It does drive better when driven hard.

[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by Camden45

Is the paint still incredibly brittle? Lots of reports of if you even sneeze on it, the paint will chip.

The factory seems to be using softer clearcoat for the Camaro and it scratches easily. Any modern clearcoat will be water based, and my memory of older top coats is they were much more resistant. My wife has a 2016 GM SUV, and the clear is similarly easy to scratch.

On the flip side, you can have the sensitive areas wrapped in PPF for chip prevention and/or use ceramic coat to drastically reduce the need for touching the car during washes, which is how most scratches are introduced anyway.

All in all, while not ideal of course, I have no problem with the paint on my Camaro, especially at this price point. Were it a Koenigsegg, well then I'd be banging on their door every other day to do something about it, but it's not unreasonable for a Camaro.

[ChevyTech77]

Originally Posted by Dbmason29

Im disagreeing with the statement that an LT1 isnt a good deal. I think the LT1 is a great deal for 90% of the people on this site

Lets be honest how many peope here are truly going to be racing their car on a track

Please reread my first post. I guess it’s ok if you don’t want to agree just to disagree too but that is not my intention, for sure.