[Blackdevil77]

Originally Posted by ST1LE

The two have nothing to do with each other, too much car from a financial standpoint.

Everything is too much right now from a financial standpoint. Food, services, etc. No way everybody’s income is increasing proportionally with this crazy inflation. You’re paying so much more than even last year for basically the same, if not worse stuff.

[ST1LE]

Originally Posted by Blackdevil77

Everything is too much right now from a financial standpoint. Food, services, etc. No way everybody’s income is increasing proportionally with this crazy inflation. You’re paying so much more than even last year for basically the same, if not worse stuff.

Too much is relative, but you're not wrong. While my income has kept pace, these are signs of hard times ahead for the economy.

If Chevy wasn't killing the Camaro with the demise of the V8 manual soon to follow, my name would not be on a list for a ZL1 right now and I would be waiting myself.

I honestly might end up in a SS 1LE because it is just such a more prudent decision to make with such amazing price for performance.

Before all this happened I was actually looking at a used Porsche 911, but that market saw a much steeper increase in price to the point it is just not worth it to me anymore.

Buying a ZL1 isnt supposed to be a 'cheaper plan B' but even with the 2023 increase, it still is.

[Blackdevil77]

Originally Posted by ST1LE

Too much is relative, but you're not wrong. While my income has kept pace, these are signs of hard times ahead for the economy.

If Chevy wasn't killing the Camaro with the demise of the V8 manual soon to follow, my name would not be on a list for a ZL1 right now and I would be waiting myself.

I honestly might end up in a SS 1LE because it is just such a more prudent decision to make with such amazing price for performance.

Before all this happened I was actually looking at a used Porsche 911, but that market saw a much steeper increase in price to the point it is just not worth it to me anymore.

Buying a ZL1 isnt supposed to be a 'cheaper plan B' but even with the 2023 increase, it still is.

I’m with you on that. Just frustrating that these shortages and price increases are coming right before this huge EV push. It’s making everyone feel like “it’s now or never, so pay up or you’re out for good.”

I took on a career change at the end of 2020 as well, which involved a major salary cut for me, initially. Long term it was the right move for sure, but it’s gonna be tough for several years.

[minn19]

Originally Posted by activeSS

If so still not much of of an increase.

Originally Posted by ST1LE

In today's crazy world it is pretty in line, but if this was still 2019 conditions it would seem a bit much to me.

Everything is up, from used cars to houses.

This, still the bargain alternative to other options. I was also looking at used 991.2 911s. I came close to buying a 2018 C2 S with 7000 miles on it. It was priced at its original MSRP. I couldn’t bring myself to buying a 4 year old car at that price. A lot of someone’s are going to be in some bad positions when this bubble pops. There are signs it’s starting to happen.

[rlarsen462]

Originally Posted by Blackdevil77

I’m with you on that. Just frustrating that these shortages and price increases are coming right before this huge EV push. It’s making everyone feel like “it’s now or never, so pay up or you’re out for good.”

I took on a career change at the end of 2020 as well, which involved a major salary cut for me, initially. Long term it was the right move for sure, but it’s gonna be tough for several years.

The best part is, reality doesn't give a shit about this push to electrify everything. So they are going to completely destroy the economy, have no actual plan for infrastructure, generation, metals, etc., while pushing to end manufacturing of ICE, and then when it all collapses you get $20/gal gas with no supply, and used ICE cars are 5x what their original MSRP was. And after all that EV uptake maybe has gone from 3% to 10%. Hooray we saved the world.

[KaMaRow]

Originally Posted by Mac7504

400 a month for 1 day a week of driving? Lmfao!!! Where the **** you driving to????

its a 19 gallon tank at 5 bucks a gallon with a range of about 228 miles for the tank at 12 miles to the gallon average on mountain roads. it does not take a lot of driving to blow through 100 bucks on a Saturday. and 4 Saturdays in a month.... Saturday is a big car day for me and my friends we hit the meets we drive the parkway doesn't take long in this car to empty the tank driving it with some fun.

[KaMaRow]

Originally Posted by Z OH 6

It does though, because no one is going to sell their used model for the same price prior to this price change knowing you can't go buy a new one without paying more. It absolutely drives up used car values.

Why would I pay you 4k more for a used 1 year old car when I can buy a new one for the same amount? if people pay as much for a used car as a new one then they are idiots.

[KaMaRow]

Originally Posted by raptor5244

$80k? Everyone was just complaining about the $3700 increase.

well they buying mine for 74 what do you think they will list it at? im sure will be close to 80 and someone will buy it. My buddy put his on ebay at 80 and got 27 phone calls. there are a small and full of people with money that will pay anything and that is what ruins it for everyone. not the dealers marking it up because if idiots stopped paying it then the dealers would stop doing it.

[minn19]

Originally Posted by KaMaRow

Why would I pay you 4k more for a used 1 year old car when I can buy a new one for the same amount? if people pay as much for a used car as a new one then they are idiots.

Come on, I wouldn’t call them idiots right off the bat. There are a number of reasons why someone would choose a lightly used one over new, especially in this market.

[Drnick]

[KaMaRow]

Originally Posted by minn19

Come on, I wouldn’t call them idiots right off the bat. There are a number of reasons why someone would choose a lightly used one over new, especially in this market.

you are right that was a harsh description. and besides the dealer that bought mine for 74 has all ready sold it before I even give them it tomorrow LOL so some one likes to pay up instead of wait.

[DangerZL1]

I have no plans of parting with mine, but if gas goes to $10 a gallon and the fill up is $170 or more the economy is heading for a depression like we can’t imagine.

[activeSS]

Originally Posted by ST1LE

In today's crazy world it is pretty in line, but if this was still 2019 conditions it would seem a bit much to me.

Everything is up, from used cars to houses.

New is still less than used.

[raptor5244]

Originally Posted by DangerZL1

I have no plans of parting with mine, but if gas goes to $10 a gallon and the fill up is $170 or more the economy is heading for a depression like we can’t imagine.

Exactly, if fuel keeps going up we will have much bigger problems.

The stock market was on fire and now that is in a free fall, next will be the housing market as interest rates have doubled in less than a year. Add in the increasing property taxes, insurance, maintenance, etc.

The government printed way too much money for the past 2 years and now we are paying the price.