05-17-2022, 03:57 PM | #533 |
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Nothing I said was deceptive or obtuse, and simply saying I'm being that way does not make it true.
Saying "wokeism" unironically, or this HILARIOUSLY obtuse and whiney post, however, is something that clearly shows we need not take anything you say seriously. Cope harder.
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I have been in other countries where the pollution was really terrible. I live in Texas so I am used to seeing clear skies.
I also work in the Oilfield at least for the last 42 years. So you kinda see my point of not wanting to see electric cars. I remember Cell phones practically ruining the USA. Look now everyone holding their phones to their ears. I love the sound of a good V-8 rumble.
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05-17-2022, 04:29 PM | #535 | |
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https://www.theclimategroup.org/our-...group-responds BTW, those legally binding standards require a 49 mpg fleet average by 2026. I'm sure CAFE regs have nothing at all to do with the increase in EVs. |
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05-17-2022, 04:29 PM | #536 | |
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Kids identifying floppy disks as "the save icon", or being completely confused as to how a rotary phone works, are adorable. But cell phones have not ruined the USA any more than craft beer has ruined the beer industry, or rock and roll ruining music. Times simply change. You can either move with it, or dig your heels in and be left behind...or be dragged along kicking and screaming, I suppose. You're holding on to an emotion that simply isn't shared by the majority of drivers on the road. MOST people just expect their vehicle to get them from A to B, as reliably as possible. They care not about any V8 rumbles or tight switch-backs to dive into, or similar. Just be happy nobody intends to kick in your front door and steal your damn car.
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05-17-2022, 04:34 PM | #537 | |
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Had you lived in Gary, Indiana and traveled to any country in Scandinavia you’d probably have a much different take on it. By the way, California is far and away the state that sees the most electric vehicle sales. Know which state is second? Hint… you live in it. Should also note that the oil industry is getting involved in setting up EV charging stations. I was at the press conference last week in Long Beach where Shell announced their plans.
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But what about California banning ICE cars after 2035? Well, a couple things there…
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05-17-2022, 05:07 PM | #540 | |
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Stop politicizing this. Both sides need to stop. I can’t stand society now that every point is now political. It ruins conversations. I can’t even go flying with a co workers and saying, “ man I really enjoyed that overnight in XXX” without them interjecting, “ yeah I used to enjoy that place too before the Dems/gop ruined it!” Was in a hotel elevator when guests asked if I ever been to California and I replied have not, but look forward to one day cause I hear it can be quite scenic. Their immediate reaction was crack political points. Getting sick and tired of it. |
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I love the discussions, but hate the hysteria and the hyperbole. I figure in about 10 or so years, we're going to see improvements in the technology and the holdouts will come around. Several years ago households that owned at least 1 computer was pretty rare, making a phone call from a cell phone to ask a loved one if a specific item was needed from a grocery store was more expensive than the item itself. Change happens, people cope and get over it. What's going to be funny is that we'll hopefully have these forums around that will allow us to look back and look at all of the absurdities. Quote:
I drove through central Texas from the Dallas/Fort Worth area to enjoy some time at Big Bend National Park. Some of the towns I drove through, I can't even imagine how the residents of those towns don't have a lower death rate than the rest of the country. The air was so disgusting that even turning on my recirculate function couldn't keep out the most horrific smelling oil refinery smells that I've ever smelled. |
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But what do any of us know about economies of scale, energy efficiency, global regulations, carbon, CO2 or NOx emissions and their effect on the environment and human health. It’s all woke BS anyway. Why would we care certain market regions have already outlawed IC starting in 2035 or even earlier. And why would GM, Ford and all the others shift to this new tech? It’s clearly not for economic gain! Why should technologies advance when we can just move backwards. Last edited by 5.M0NSTER; 05-17-2022 at 05:53 PM. |
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im happy with my V6,and hoping it will last the rest of my driving days.but i wouldnt turn away a 2 door electric camaro if i was given one.would even consider renting one to see if was cool or uncool.
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It will be political simply because …well…. The internet.
I can assure you that the far bigger reason for converting to EVs more than California or democrats or martians is simply stock price and getting shareholder value. Tesla was barely profitable up until only a few years ago and what profit they made was selling credits to other OEMs. But now slightly profitable actually selling cars their market cap is over a $789 BILLION. GM, making billions a year like money machine is worth a paltry $55 BILLION. GM will likely sell fewer cars at even bigger profit and hopefully gate a HUGE stock price jump. The government could easily force us to fix this problem. If tomorrow they made it illegal to drive a car older than 5 years old eliminating several hundred million cars that pollute far more we would immediately be better off than a 25 plus year conversion to EVs. They could even do what Japan has done for years by adding inspections and fees making it so expensive to drive a 3 year old car that it actually becomes cheaper to just buy a new car. They won’t. What they will do is create requirements that cause industry to fix it. Many OEMs have stooped ICE development. Why? To meet emissions requirements around the world, not just in the US, will only happen with EVs. ICE improvement is done with tiny improvements possible. The 2.0t in my wife’s XT4 has a very slick indexing camshaft (look it up, very cool). It has full, partial and no lift lobes. I’ve heard it was $800 cost for about 1/2 mpg. EVs, short of the vroom vroom sound are simply going to be the better product for most customers. And all those people that used to work on ICE will be working on even better, lower cost, faster charging EVs. Far better EVs are coming. And 20 years from now they will be so much better it will be like trying to suggest your old dial phone was better than an iPhone 13 because you liked the feel of the dial and that, click click click sound when you let go.
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05-18-2022, 04:47 AM | #546 |
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I don’t believe there is such a thing as woke technology. Tech is tech. Only people are stupid enough to be woke.
I get it though, some people believe we need to save the earth from ‘climate change’ snicker, so we get EVs. It’s a shame the mass psychosis of a relatively small number of people means the rest of us have to deal with CAFE standards, and Commifornia trying to outlaw the ICE, but what are you going to do? You can’t fix stupid, you can only laugh. |
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