[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by clg82

AWE isn't visiting the forums then.....

Originally Posted by Domo14SS

I'd pre-order right now if AWE were to announce an NPP Exhaust. I think it'd outsell the Corsa's and Borla's if they were to release an NPP System.

Originally Posted by Z OH 6

They go off sales and feedback. A small handful of people that want NPP here probably doesn't make a dent in their overall sales.

They are visiting or at least did visit the forums, and several of us made it clear to them that we'd seriously consider a valved version of their exhausts (in fact, they offer valves in house for other brands/models, so it's not like they would need to perform the entire R&D from scratch).

Not sure how much of a dent people here would make in their overall sales, plus this forum definitely doesn't represent the whole gamut of Camaro owners, but they obviously didn't consider it enough to invest. A true chicken and egg problem, though, because how could they gauge the true sales potential when they already explicitly stated their "180 technology" was "way superior" to valves and they refused to understand why some people desire more control than pressing the accelerator.

It's also possible that they did the research and found they couldn't match or beat Borla's and Corsa's (already high) price points, and that's why they ditched the idea... but I'm afraid we might never find out.

[clg82]

Originally Posted by arpad_m

They are visiting or at least did visit the forums, and several of us made it clear to them that we'd seriously consider a valved version of their exhausts (in fact, they offer valves in house for other brands/models, so it's not like they would need to perform the entire R&D from scratch).

Not sure how much of a dent people here would make in their overall sales, plus this forum definitely doesn't represent the whole gamut of Camaro owners, but they obviously didn't consider it enough to invest. A true chicken and egg problem, though, because how could they gauge the true sales potential when they already explicitly stated their "180 technology" was "way superior" to valves and they refused to understand why some people desire more control than pressing the accelerator.

It's also possible that they did the research and found they couldn't match or beat Borla's and Corsa's (already high) price points, and that's why they ditched the idea... but I'm afraid we might never find out.

I remember when i was shopping for my exhaust researching AWE and noticing that other exhausts they offered had the valves....thought that was a bit odd. There really isn't much to addint them no? I mean it's just a valve and actuator PLATE, since the ZL1 already has the bolt on actuators, can't inflate cost that much.

[Z OH 6]

Originally Posted by arpad_m

They are visiting or at least did visit the forums, and several of us made it clear to them that we'd seriously consider a valved version of their exhausts (in fact, they offer valves in house for other brands/models, so it's not like they would need to perform the entire R&D from scratch).

Not sure how much of a dent people here would make in their overall sales, plus this forum definitely doesn't represent the whole gamut of Camaro owners, but they obviously didn't consider it enough to invest. A true chicken and egg problem, though, because how could they gauge the true sales potential when they already explicitly stated their "180 technology" was "way superior" to valves and they refused to understand why some people desire more control than pressing the accelerator.

It's also possible that they did the research and found they couldn't match or beat Borla's and Corsa's (already high) price points, and that's why they ditched the idea... but I'm afraid we might never find out.

The thing is, with stock manifolds which is going to be the majority of their customers, no valves are needed, it sounds absolutely perfect, not too loud at all. They advertise their mufflers with 180 degree sound technology to eliminate drone and they have succeeded, there's no drone at all. The AWE exhaust gets loud with headers and no cats, that wasn't their target audience.

[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by Z OH 6

The thing is, with stock manifolds which is going to be the majority of their customers, no valves are needed, it sounds absolutely perfect, not too loud at all. They advertise their mufflers with 180 degree sound technology to eliminate drone and they have succeeded, there's no drone at all. The AWE exhaust gets loud with headers and no cats, that wasn't their target audience.

Drone is not a factor here, I no problem believing their exhausts do not drone.

What I'm talking about is, say, pulling away from a light in sport mode vs tour mode with the exact same throttle input, rpm and gear progression has a significant exhaust note difference in sport vs tour mode with the NPP, which is a feature I like and don't want to lose. There is no way their passive, no valve exhaust will sound different in these two scenarios.

[Z OH 6]

Originally Posted by arpad_m

Drone is not a factor here, I no problem believing their exhausts do not drone.

What I'm talking about is, say, pulling away from a light in sport mode vs tour mode with the exact same throttle input, rpm and gear progression has a significant exhaust note difference in sport vs tour mode with the NPP, which is a feature I like and don't want to lose. There is no way their passive, no valve exhaust will sound different in these two scenarios.

AWE sales seem to indicate most buyers don't care. I understand you do.

[Joshinator99]

Originally Posted by Z OH 6

The thing is, with stock manifolds which is going to be the majority of their customers, no valves are needed, it sounds absolutely perfect, not too loud at all. They advertise their mufflers with 180 degree sound technology to eliminate drone and they have succeeded, there's no drone at all. The AWE exhaust gets loud with headers and no cats, that wasn't their target audience.

This^^^

My car with the stock manifolds and the AWE Touring catback sounded *SO* good. Probably my favorite musclecar exhaust note of all time. It still sounds awesome now but I had to add a Magnaflow center muffler to tame the 2” headers. Still no drone either and the tips are awesome too.

[clg82]

Originally Posted by arpad_m

Drone is not a factor here, I no problem believing their exhausts do not drone.

What I'm talking about is, say, pulling away from a light in sport mode vs tour mode with the exact same throttle input, rpm and gear progression has a significant exhaust note difference in sport vs tour mode with the NPP, which is a feature I like and don't want to lose. There is no way their passive, no valve exhaust will sound different in these two scenarios.

This exactly ^

[Bearded_Seamonkey]

Great conversations! As always, exhaust discussions are interesting to say the least. Everyone has their opinion and their justification why. I totally get the reasons each person has what they chose. It is a pretty big investment and gaining knowledge and opinion is always nice. Trying to decide between sound, cost, looks, etc. is a tough process. Especially when not able to hear all of them in person next to each other with the same mods.

The good news is that is looks like there is a market for used exhausts and so if I make my decision now based on what I think is the right choice, it's not the end of the world if I change my mind.

Thanks for all the input.

[clg82]

Originally Posted by Bearded_Seamonkey

Great conversations! As always, exhaust discussions are interesting to say the least. Everyone has their opinion and their justification why. I totally get the reasons each person has what they chose. It is a pretty big investment and gaining knowledge and opinion is always nice. Trying to decide between sound, cost, looks, etc. is a tough process. Especially when not able to hear all of them in person next to each other with the same mods.

The good news is that is looks like there is a market for used exhausts and so if I make my decision now based on what I think is the right choice, it's not the end of the world if I change my mind.

Thanks for all the input.

It's also tough because all of these exhaust sounds are subjective, so what one person may not like someone else may. Best to try and find someone that lives near you with what you're looking to purchase to see if you like it or not....but that can be very difficult as well. Good luck on whatever you purchase tho! Let us know what you end up going with!

[Z OH 6]

I have never heard a better exhaust than the AWE resonated touring exhaust on a stock ZL1. The best comparison I can give is that it sounds a LOT like a Shelby GT350 which is a HUGE compliment. Once you add headers and remove the cats or add high flow cats though, the volume changes a LOT and for some its too much. Adding an extra Magnaflow x muffler in the center tunnel takes some of the volume out and makes it bearable again. AWE has the best looking tips too which is another perk.

[clg82]

Originally Posted by Z OH 6

I have never heard a better exhaust than the AWE resonated touring exhaust on a stock ZL1. The best comparison I can give is that it sounds a LOT like a Shelby GT350 which is a HUGE compliment. Once you add headers and remove the cats or add high flow cats though, the volume changes a LOT and for some its too much. Adding an extra Magnaflow x muffler in the center tunnel takes some of the volume out and makes it bearable again. AWE has the best looking tips too which is another perk.

I agree with you, it's just nice to have the NPP for those pesky police who like to pull you over for the littlest thing...and with the valves closed it would be ideal.....hell i'd even offer my car up as a test mule if AWE would like for the new NPP exhaust......

[Bearded_Seamonkey]

Originally Posted by Z OH 6

I have never heard a better exhaust than the AWE resonated touring exhaust on a stock ZL1. The best comparison I can give is that it sounds a LOT like a Shelby GT350 which is a HUGE compliment. Once you add headers and remove the cats or add high flow cats though, the volume changes a LOT and for some its too much. Adding an extra Magnaflow x muffler in the center tunnel takes some of the volume out and makes it bearable again. AWE has the best looking tips too which is another perk.

Have you heard the AWE non-resonated touring exhaust? I was planning to do non-resonated...but your description of the resonated sounds pretty sweet.

[Z OH 6]

Originally Posted by clg82

I agree with you, it's just nice to have the NPP for those pesky police who like to pull you over for the littlest thing...and with the valves closed it would be ideal.....hell i'd even offer my car up as a test mule if AWE would like for the new NPP exhaust......

I completely understand why some people still want the valves.

[clg82]

Originally Posted by Bearded_Seamonkey

Have you heard the AWE non-resonated touring exhaust? I was planning to do non-resonated...but your description of the resonated sounds pretty sweet.

I've heard the resonated in person and like Z said it is an amazing exhaust for the ZL1, not sure if you can find someone local to hear it but it's worth it IMO....but don't let me spend your money haha