PERFORMANCE ENGINE CENTER PLAQUE - Page 14

armycop71 · 04-23-2022, 10:27 PM

I wonder if re-tooling the production line for the non-AFM cars would be more expensive than just building the engines at the PBC. I would be curious to see the true numbers of manual Camaro sales vs automatics. If the percentage of the manuals is low, it may make sense to keep making them at the PBC instead of changing up the factory production line. But I am only guessing. I may try to sneak in the PBC next week when I'm in Bowling Green...

z28deuce · 04-23-2022, 10:42 PM

The percentages are available, but to my understanding there's no mechanical difference in the engines; they all have the AFM hardware in the valve train. The only difference is in the controls and whether the hardware is actuated in the programming.

Even the LT4s have the AFM lifters, etc., even though they're not activated in the autos or the manuals...

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tommcd24 · 04-27-2022, 04:16 PM

Finally got around to taking the cover off to get a pic of the PBC plaque on my M6 SS. Thank you Jonathan Centers for what so far has been a thoroughly enjoyable engine!

P.S. getting that side cover off was a bit of PITA with the strut tower brace that comes on the convertibles. I ended up just sliding it over the top just far enough to get a photo. It didn't seem to want to slide out the front. I think the mounts were snagging on part of the wiring harness or something.

TXCSSU · 04-27-2022, 04:31 PM

I'm not sure how I feel about Anthony not being comfortable enough to stamp his last name on mine....tsk tsk tsk Anthony!

armycop71 · 04-27-2022, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by TXCSSU

I'm not sure how I feel about Anthony not being comfortable enough to stamp his last name on mine....tsk tsk tsk Anthony!

Tony's afraid you'll come after him if you throw a rod one day....

Bud357 · 05-08-2022, 06:01 PM

Another LT1 6-speed with the plaque!

AlwaysFbody · 06-22-2022, 11:24 AM

My 2022 LT1 build date of 05/11/22. PBC engine was assembled by Andrea Carothers!

Heathbuck · 06-22-2022, 01:38 PM

Thanks Jason!

Jrschev · 06-22-2022, 10:38 PM

Just had a long conversation with one of the engine builders from the PBC regarding the engine plaques. He asked me not to mention his name and I will honor that request.
All engines are currently built to order, there is no stock pile. The LT1 engine is built about one month ahead of the car build.
All engines, auto or manual are exactly the same. They all have the same lifters, power output is determined by the programming etc but the engines are identical, no difference
All 6 speed manual assigned engines are built at PBC. The LT1 is otherwise a production line engine and therefore many more produced in the same period. He mentioned they may build 200 per shift while PBC builds 300 per week. Because the manual represents a small percentage of the total builds the PBC is responsible for those engines.
Some auto engines are built at PBC but they are not allowed to put their tag on the auto engines except for the LT4 engine with automatic. This is because the auto engines are from another plant and PBC only assembles a few of them. Kind of crazy thinking but...
Because of the social media posts about the engine plaques and the idea that some owners may feel jilted about this they are going to end the practice of installing build plaques on the PBC engines. Management feels that it causes confusion on behalf of the customer. Hmmm probably true.
There is a group at the PBC called the "perfect ten" These ten assemblers have the best record of perfection, something like ten perfect engines in a row. I'm also a lucky owner of a "perfect ten" engine assembler. Pretty cool.

Junction65 · 06-23-2022, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Jrschev

All engines are currently built to order, there is no stock pile. The LT1 engine is built about one month ahead of the car build...

Because of the social media posts about the engine plaques and the idea that some owners may feel jilted about this they are going to end the practice of installing build plaques on the PBC engines.

My 23 LT1 M6 has a TPW of 6/27/22....fingers crossed on getting to join the PBC Plaque Club.

ckt227 · 06-23-2022, 08:51 AM

Thanks for the info, really interesting.

Because of the social media posts about the engine plaques and the idea that some owners may feel jilted about this they are going to end the practice of installing build plaques on the PBC engines. Management feels that it causes confusion on behalf of the customer

Probably due to some bean counter who figured that to no longer install the engine plaques would save GM $3,227.72 a year.

Edward Paul · 06-23-2022, 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jrschev

Just had a long conversation with one of the engine builders from the PBC regarding the engine plaques. He asked me not to mention his name and I will honor that request.
All engines are currently built to order, there is no stock pile. The LT1 engine is built about one month ahead of the car build.
All engines, auto or manual are exactly the same. They all have the same lifters, power output is determined by the programming etc but the engines are identical, no difference
All 6 speed manual assigned engines are built at PBC. The LT1 is otherwise a production line engine and therefore many more produced in the same period. He mentioned they may build 200 per shift while PBC builds 300 per week. Because the manual represents a small percentage of the total builds the PBC is responsible for those engines.
Some auto engines are built at PBC but they are not allowed to put their tag on the auto engines except for the LT4 engine with automatic. This is because the auto engines are from another plant and PBC only assembles a few of them. Kind of crazy thinking but...
Because of the social media posts about the engine plaques and the idea that some owners may feel jilted about this they are going to end the practice of installing build plaques on the PBC engines. Management feels that it causes confusion on behalf of the customer. Hmmm probably true.
There is a group at the PBC called the "perfect ten" These ten assemblers have the best record of perfection, something like ten perfect engines in a row. I'm also a lucky owner of a "perfect ten" engine assembler. Pretty cool.

Where are their names mentioned?

Sindri · 06-23-2022, 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jrschev

Because of the social media posts about the engine plaques and the idea that some owners may feel jilted about this they are going to end the practice of installing build plaques on the PBC engines.

Wish I'd known about this when I had my 2020 1SS 1LE, then I'd have known who to get revenge on for building that boat anchor...

Oh wait, that's probably precisely why they are stopping the practice...

(Btw, I'm totally kidding, that's all water under the bridge and I'm looking forward to my 2022 that should arrive any day now).

ZPirate · 06-23-2022, 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jrschev

Just had a long conversation with one of the engine builders from the PBC regarding the engine plaques. He asked me not to mention his name and I will honor that request.
All engines are currently built to order, there is no stock pile. The LT1 engine is built about one month ahead of the car build.
All engines, auto or manual are exactly the same. They all have the same lifters, power output is determined by the programming etc but the engines are identical, no difference
All 6 speed manual assigned engines are built at PBC. The LT1 is otherwise a production line engine and therefore many more produced in the same period. He mentioned they may build 200 per shift while PBC builds 300 per week. Because the manual represents a small percentage of the total builds the PBC is responsible for those engines.
Some auto engines are built at PBC but they are not allowed to put their tag on the auto engines except for the LT4 engine with automatic. This is because the auto engines are from another plant and PBC only assembles a few of them. Kind of crazy thinking but...
Because of the social media posts about the engine plaques and the idea that some owners may feel jilted about this they are going to end the practice of installing build plaques on the PBC engines. Management feels that it causes confusion on behalf of the customer. Hmmm probably true.
There is a group at the PBC called the "perfect ten" These ten assemblers have the best record of perfection, something like ten perfect engines in a row. I'm also a lucky owner of a "perfect ten" engine assembler. Pretty cool.

Very interesting. Thanks for sharing.

04-23-2022, 10:27 PM	#183
armycop71 Love my Satin Steel LT-1! Drives: 6-Speed LT-1... Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Kentucky Posts: 500	I wonder if re-tooling the production line for the non-AFM cars would be more expensive than just building the engines at the PBC. I would be curious to see the true numbers of manual Camaro sales vs automatics. If the percentage of the manuals is low, it may make sense to keep making them at the PBC instead of changing up the factory production line. But I am only guessing. I may try to sneak in the PBC next week when I'm in Bowling Green... __________________ 2022 SATIN STEEL *LT1* 6-Speed Man\|Carbon Flash Wheels Technology Pkg\|NPP\|Satin Blk Pkg ZL1 Rock Guards\|Red Knee Pad Set EOS Track Spoiler\|EOS 1LE Splitter PBC LT1 engine built by Debi Lewis

04-27-2022, 04:16 PM	#185
tommcd24 Drives: 2SS M6 NPP Convertible Join Date: Mar 2021 Location: MN Posts: 330 View My Garage	Finally got around to taking the cover off to get a pic of the PBC plaque on my M6 SS. Thank you Jonathan Centers for what so far has been a thoroughly enjoyable engine! P.S. getting that side cover off was a bit of PITA with the strut tower brace that comes on the convertibles. I ended up just sliding it over the top just far enough to get a photo. It didn't seem to want to slide out the front. I think the mounts were snagging on part of the wiring harness or something. Attached Images __________________ 2SS Convertible M6 NPP Riverside Blue w/ Silver Rally Stripes Dec. 18: took her home Dec. 9: arrival at dealer Nov. 16-29: Toledo, OH (railyard) Nov. 9: 3800 -> 4300 (for stripes) Oct. 8: 3400 status TPW 10/25 Oct. 6: 3100 status TPW 10/25 Sept. 9: 3000 status TPW 10/4/2021 Sept. 3: 2000 status (after 5 1/2 months) Sept. 2: Change Order: 2SS (V6 constraint) April 12: Reordered as ‘22 3LT RS V6 (March 16:Initial Order ‘21 3LT RS V6)

04-27-2022, 04:31 PM	#186
TXCSSU Account Suspended Drives: 2022 ZL1 M6/Nissan Leaf Join Date: May 2016 Location: Dallas Posts: 1,138	I'm not sure how I feel about Anthony not being comfortable enough to stamp his last name on mine....tsk tsk tsk Anthony! Attached Images

05-08-2022, 06:01 PM	#188
Bud357 Drives: 2022 Camaro LT1 M6 Recaro NPP Join Date: Nov 2021 Location: NJ Posts: 60	Another LT1 6-speed with the plaque! Attached Images __________________ 2022 LT1 M6 Recaro Red Hot NPP red calipers red seat belts GM short throw shifter GM strut tower brace rotofab CAI GM sway bar kit secondary cat delete 1983 Z28, 1996 Z28, 2018 SS Hot Wheels

06-22-2022, 11:24 AM	#189
AlwaysFbody Drives: E91 BMW, Victory CCT Ness Join Date: Mar 2022 Location: Lexington SC Posts: 65 View My Garage	My 2022 LT1 build date of 05/11/22. PBC engine was assembled by Andrea Carothers! Attached Images __________________ 2022 LT1 VOM, Coupe, Manual, Recaro, NPP, Sunroof, Bose, Lowering Suspension, Sway Bar Upgrade, 6 Piston Brembo, Black Strut Tower, Front Splitter, Rear Spoiler, Sport Alloy Pedals, Hash Marks, Performance Center Caps -BMNN93 03/18/22 - 2000 03/23/22 - 3000 04/01/22 - 3400 04/18/22 - 3400 TPW 05/11/22 - 3800 - 1G1FE1R78N0127533 06/15/22 - Car picked up! 10/10/22 - All LPO's finally installed

04-23-2022, 10:42 PM	#184
z28deuce Drives: 2021 Camaro ZL1 Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 341	The percentages are available, but to my understanding there's no mechanical difference in the engines; they all have the AFM hardware in the valve train. The only difference is in the controls and whether the hardware is actuated in the programming. Even the LT4s have the AFM lifters, etc., even though they're not activated in the autos or the manuals... Sent from my SM-G991U using Tapatalk

06-22-2022, 01:38 PM	#190
Heathbuck Drives: 2022 Camaro LT1 Join Date: Oct 2021 Location: Asheville NC Posts: 17	Thanks Jason! __________________ Heath 2022 Camaro LT1 - Manual - Wild Cherry Tintcoat Medium Ash Gray Interior Black Metallic Rally Stripes Ordered 11/5/21 Built 4/12/2022 Delivered 5/21/2022

06-22-2022, 10:38 PM	#191
Jrschev Drives: 2022 Camaro 2SS Convertible M6 Join Date: Jan 2022 Location: Clifton Park, NY Posts: 39	PBC Engines Just had a long conversation with one of the engine builders from the PBC regarding the engine plaques. He asked me not to mention his name and I will honor that request. All engines are currently built to order, there is no stock pile. The LT1 engine is built about one month ahead of the car build. All engines, auto or manual are exactly the same. They all have the same lifters, power output is determined by the programming etc but the engines are identical, no difference All 6 speed manual assigned engines are built at PBC. The LT1 is otherwise a production line engine and therefore many more produced in the same period. He mentioned they may build 200 per shift while PBC builds 300 per week. Because the manual represents a small percentage of the total builds the PBC is responsible for those engines. Some auto engines are built at PBC but they are not allowed to put their tag on the auto engines except for the LT4 engine with automatic. This is because the auto engines are from another plant and PBC only assembles a few of them. Kind of crazy thinking but... Because of the social media posts about the engine plaques and the idea that some owners may feel jilted about this they are going to end the practice of installing build plaques on the PBC engines. Management feels that it causes confusion on behalf of the customer. Hmmm probably true. There is a group at the PBC called the "perfect ten" These ten assemblers have the best record of perfection, something like ten perfect engines in a row. I'm also a lucky owner of a "perfect ten" engine assembler. Pretty cool. Attached Images __________________ *2022 2SS Convertible 6 Speed Manual* Red Hot, Adrenaline Red interior, Dual Tone exhaust, Red painted calipers, SS Wheel centers, Sport pedal kit, Metallic Black Rally Stripes. 1/13/22 Ordered 4/19/22 2000 status 4/21/22 3000 status 4/29/22 3400 status 4/29/22 TPW 5/9/22 5/12/22 3800 status, BUILT! 5/16/22 4300 status 6/14/22 Delivered!

06-23-2022, 08:51 AM	#193
ckt227 Drives: CHEVROLET CORVETTE Join Date: Feb 2021 Location: SWFL Posts: 513	Thanks for the info, really interesting. Because of the social media posts about the engine plaques and the idea that some owners may feel jilted about this they are going to end the practice of installing build plaques on the PBC engines. Management feels that it causes confusion on behalf of the customer Probably due to some bean counter who figured that to no longer install the engine plaques would save GM $3,227.72 a year.

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