[Z OH 6]

Originally Posted by Stevezx900

It was supposed to be a sarcastic remark. I basically said the ZLE was a modified ZL1.

If you expect for it to ride like a charger your expectations will be let down.

Know what this car’s purpose is when your buying.If you want a daily driver the the regular ZL1 is for you.
1LE is a track ready monster. Of course you would need to give up some comfort to achieve this.

I can agree with this statement. The 1LE package has ALWAYS been a track package meant for people that track their cars, not drive them on the street. This package goes back to the 3rd Gen Camaro and it use to be so hardcore that you could only get it with a manual trans, no AC, and no radio. The Z28 was the 5th Gen version of the 1LE, it sold like crap as a track focused model. The 6th Gen 1LE seems to be a little more popular but the vast majority buy them for the aero pieces and some actually think its actually a higher trim model so they think they're getting the highest trim without realizing its the same as the regular ZL1 just with an add-on track package. Very few buy them for their intended use but those that do, love them.

[Z OH 6]

Originally Posted by Jofu

Another thing worth considering when going with a ZLE is the fact that the very soft tire compound and tires sticking-out kick a lot of little rocks all over the side panels.

Of course, a tire that's not as soft as the SC3Rs will help some, and yes rock guards will help a lot (I got the ZL1 add-ons ones), but I noticed recently that the lower panel between rear wheels and the doors already have a fair bit of rock chips, with less than 3200 miles on the car

Unless your ZLE is meant 100% for the track and/or you don't care for rock chips at all, the ZLE will require that you cover some of those areas with PPF.

I just bought 3'x3' of Ultimate Plus 10 Xpel, and will be installing it myself at home. I've never done that, so I'm a bit nervous, but the area is thankfully fairly flat (at least compared to the front which is very sculpted!). Professional installers sure make it look easy on Youtube

If install results are decent, I'll consider covering more of the car by myself.

Geoff

100% true, just another reason I avoided the 1LE package. The standard ZL1 already does this to some degree as well, the 1LE is just much worse about it. I didn't install any splash guards on my ZL1 for the first 1k miles after I owned it, one day while washing it I noticed, I had a few small paint chip in on the lower fenders right in front of the rear wheels.

[HoodCheck]

Originally Posted by Z OH 6

I can agree with this statement. The 1LE package has ALWAYS been a track package meant for people that track their cars, not drive them on the street. This package goes back to the 3rd Gen Camaro and it use to be so hardcore that you could only get it with a manual trans, no AC, and no radio. The Z28 was the 5th Gen version of the 1LE, it sold like crap as a track focused model. The 6th Gen 1LE seems to be a little more popular but the vast majority buy them for the aero pieces and some actually think its actually a higher trim model so they think they're getting the highest trim without realizing its the same as the regular ZL1 just with an add-on track package. Very few buy them for their intended use but those that do, love them.

The Z/28 wasn't the 1LE model for the 5th gen; the SS 1LE was. The Z/28 was however the highest trim model, and yes, of course, intended for the track (and like the ZLE, kicks ass on the street). Its more like comparing the 6th gen SS 1LE and ZLE to each other for the 5th gen SS 1LE and Z/28. 3rd gen 1LE was so rare it wasn't even advertised...you had to know someone who knew it existed basically. I had a chance to buy one once, and wish I would've now tbh.

A good history of the 1LE models: https://gmauthority.com/blog/2016/03...history-alley/

[Z OH 6]

Originally Posted by HoodCheck

The Z/28 wasn't the 1LE model for the 5th gen; the SS 1LE was. The Z/28 was however the highest trim model, and yes, of course, intended for the track (and like the ZLE, kicks ass on the street). Its more like comparing the 6th gen SS 1LE and ZLE to each other for the 5th gen SS 1LE and Z/28. 3rd gen 1LE was so rare it wasn't even advertised...you had to know someone who knew it existed basically. I had a chance to buy one once, and wish I would've now tbh.

A good history of the 1LE models: https://gmauthority.com/blog/2016/03...history-alley/

The Z28 was unofficially the 1LE version of the highest trim model. The SS 1LE wouldn't hold a candle to the Z28 or the ZL1.

"The 6th Gen 1LE kicks ass on the street." No more than the standard ZL1 and arguably less so, here's why. It's going to be slower than a standard ZL1 in straight line performance due to the extra aero drag and there's very few roads in most areas to take advantage of the extra grip of the 1LE (1.18g vs the standard ZL1 (1.04g). Ultimately, you CAN drive a 1LE on the street, but the ride is compromised a lot for that purpose and its going to be slower than a standard ZL1 in acceleration. I'm not dogging on the 1LE, just stating that it was built for the track where the aero, wider tires and firm suspension are best utilized.

I have seen a 3rd Gen 1LE in person when they were still new, the guy that owned it locally tracked his regularly. It's the only one I've ever seen in person.

[pauly1119]

Originally Posted by sactownbwoy

My boys don't think the ZLE ride is rough. They easily fall asleep in the car.

Funny my daughter falls asleep in mine all the time. Crazy thing is my wife always comments on how nice it drives, granted I drive it very easy when we are all together but they love going for rides in it. It’s definitely rougher then my other cars but nothing like the hype that’s made of it here.

[sactownbwoy]

Originally Posted by TXCSSU

Or maybe "the ole man" drives like grandma.

Haha occasionally that is true but on this occasion, they wanted to take the twisty road through Joshua Tree National park.

[HoodCheck]

Originally Posted by Z OH 6

The Z28 was unofficially the 1LE version of the highest trim model. The SS 1LE wouldn't hold a candle to the Z28 or the ZL1.

"The 6th Gen 1LE kicks ass on the street." No more than the standard ZL1 and arguably less so, here's why. It's going to be slower than a standard ZL1 in straight line performance due to the extra aero drag and there's very roads in most areas to take advantage of the extra grip of the 1LE (1.18g vs the standard ZL1 (1.04g). Ultimately, you CAN drive a 1LE on the street, but the ride is compromised a lot for that purpose and its going to be slower than a standard ZL1 in acceleration. I'm not dogging on the 1LE, just stating that it was built for the track where the aero, wider tires and firm suspension are best utilized.

I have seen a 3rd Gen 1LE in person when they were still new, the guy that owned it locally tracked his regularly. It's the only one I've ever seen in person.

I agree whole heartedly that the SS 1LE doesn't hold a candle. But, the Z/28 was its own model (1801 built; less than 1720 left in the world), and it was the top trim itself. It wasn't a 1LE of any other model (but perhaps was likely the main inspiration behind the 1LE models), so not sure where that's coming from (it started as just a barebones camaro model, skipped the sound proofing and trunk liner, and subtracted the bluetooth module for streaming media over bt (still has bt for phone though)...then the goodies were added like the recaros, aero, motor, DSSV, carbon rotors/pads, rear differential, etc). If you mean that in that it was track oriented, yes, absolutely. It was still the best car I've ever driven on the road, for me anyways (many would disagree). I've owned 2 of them (and will for sure get another one at some point). I liked it better than the ZLE, but I consider the ZLE a great, but very close, second choice (again, for me; because I don't really care which is faster, and I don't track mine), and there are indeed aspects of the ZLE I like substantially more, but thats pretty much limited to an integrated backup camera I didn't have to add myself, and the fact you can actually find parts for it (which is a massive pain in the ass with the Z/28; I still have about 8k worth of parts in the garage for my last one)....the rest of the amenities I can live without.

6th gen wise, I've owned both the regular ZL1 and the ZLE; I just didn't like the regular ZL1...if anything, I would have to say it was too refined for my tastes. The ZLE has the "you and the road" feel due to the DSSV that the mag ride just can't match, and its not bad at all on the street. Is it bouncier, absolutely, and it feels more like a raw car as a result (which is the exact reason I like it). The aero doesn't matter until you get into high speeds, like higher triple digits...higher than you're likely to hit on the streets for any amount of time really for it to matter. Straight line acceleration between the 2 is the same up until that point, providing you don't put a M6 against an auto (even then though, the ZLE M6 was only off by 0.2-0.3 seconds vs the 2017 A10 regular ZL1 in the quarter in car and driver testing, and 0-60 was actually the same, to give you an idea)

I've owned them all, and had the ZL1 in auto, and the ZLE in manual, so have a pretty good comparison of each of them from personal experience.

Of course, everyone has different tastes, and there are definitely more that WON'T like the DSSV (whether in the ZLE or Z/28) on the street than there are that will, no doubt.

I should probably reevaluate how often I buy cars too, because all those I mentioned are in the last 4 years or so (and I didn't even talk about the 2016 2SS I had just before those) lol.

[raptor5244]

If you are going to track the car all the time with a bit of street driving here and there, 1LE all the way. But if the car never sees the track, you now have these expensive 3R tires that are less than ideal for the street and will probably be replaced with with street friendly Michelins PS4S. Ride quality is very subjective, but in every ZL1 1LE video review everyone is bouncing around like crazy. I think it is fun when you are in the mood but it can get old after a while. The hood wrap is cool looking but requires a bit more care to keep it looking good. At the end of the day, it is a $7,500 package to make the car perform better on track so if you don't track it you are just paying for red calipers, hood wrap, dive planes and a big rear wing. If you track it then those tires, DSSV suspension and aero have a value and will translate into improved lap times.

Here is one more opinion.

[HoodCheck]

Originally Posted by raptor5244

If you are going to track the car all the time with a bit of street driving here and there, 1LE all the way. But if the car never sees the track, you now have these expensive 3R tires that are less than ideal for the street and will probably be replaced with with street friendly Michelins PS4S. Ride quality is very subjective, but in every ZL1 1LE video review everyone is bouncing around like crazy. I think it is fun when you are in the mood but it can get old after a while. The hood wrap is cool looking but requires a bit more care to keep it looking good. At the end of the day, it is a $7,500 package to make the car perform better on track so if you don't track it you are just paying for red calipers, hood wrap, dive planes and a big rear wing. If you track it then those tires, DSSV suspension and aero have a value and will translate into improved lap times.

Here is one more opinion.

Lol; I took my ex wife out in mine and within a few minutes, she said "I think this is my favorite camaro you've had yet" (which funny enough, she thought the Z/28s were a bit rough, but they were actually a softer ride). She had driven my regular ZL1 a number of times too.

I find the handling in the ZLE to be more precise on the street as well (especially winding roads, and I have some nice back roads with tight turns and roundabouts by me), and you're exactly right on the tires, and the bouncing (on the bright side, it keeps you away from trying to mess with your phone while driving, cuz it aint happening until a stop light or sign lol). The guy in the video is right that it follows every little line in the road as well, which is the "you and the road" feeling I was talking about.

[SATINSTEEL1LE]

Originally Posted by HoodCheck

1. Then you need to learn to read. No replacement for the feel of the DSSV....
2. "DIVE planes"....canards...I'll go ahead and chock that up to autocorrect.
3. You are mistaken, there are more differences than the spoiler and canards, to include the more aggressive looking front end grill, but again, for me, its the DSSV.
4. If you own a SS, arent you in the wrong section to try talking smack?? I've had one of those too....that one only lasted 3 months in my driveway before it was entirely too boring and got traded for something with DSSV as well.

Let me correct you back. Chevrolet calls them dive planes. So go ahead and learn something smart guy.

Secondly Im on my second ZL1. The first was a 2018 1LE and the current is a 21 ZL1. So I know a thing or two about these and how they ride... I was also going to add another 22 SS1LE but that fell through. So its just a single 21 ZL1 a10 at the moment.

[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by SATINSTEEL1LE

Let me correct you back. Chevrolet calls them dive planes. So go ahead and learn something smart guy.

You said "drive" planes, he simply corrected your typo, and "canard" is a synonym for "dive plane". It was also you who started the undeserved roasting with that ricerboy wang taunt, so I'd say you got mildly owned here, we can all simply move on

[SATINSTEEL1LE]

Originally Posted by arpad_m

You said "drive" planes, he simply corrected your typo, and "canard" is a synonym for "dive plane". It was also you who started the undeserved roasting with that ricerboy wang taunt, so I'd say you got mildly owned here, we can all simply move on

I was owned how? By my phone adding a letter to a word I didn't type? If you say so. The real issue here is the 1LE guys trying to justify how amazing the ride on their racecar is on the street. That's a no my friend. From someone that's owned both, the 1LE is completely unnecessary and there is nothing you can do better on the street that a normal ZL1 with the same driver cant do. Period. RIP to you for paying that much more for one when 99% of them never make it to the track. Oh and WANG.

[Palutz]

Banging the hottest chick that was crazy is not easy to explain to people that never had it. That was the Z/28 in 14/15. Then her cousin (ZLE) showed up in 2018 and she was better in every way to the ones that went through that before. Some people want the excitement or they’ll die young. It’s that easy. No need to bicker like little girls over the ZL1 or ZLE. Some have done a line of coke and they enjoyed it. Some just hate the fun just on principle.

[Phil zl1]

If you make the move you better be sure they can get you a car.