[TXCSSU]

Originally Posted by KaMaRow

But has anyone here that owns a C8 got it to do 0-60 in under 3 seconds? I know GM claims that but My self with a 2021 and my buddy with a 2022 we used draggy and the on board track app and we even took it to a drag strip. we tried in higher elevations and in lower. We tried pure 93 gas and 10 percent. we tried with a full tank and with a near empty tank we used launch control and not used launch control.. basically we tried every form and fashion of ways and we could never get a 0-60 in less then 3.1

See the problem with American manufacturers is they like to brag about a 0-60 that they got once in perfect conditions on the right track with the right set up and with the right humidity and temps and and and and and.... its a 0-60 that most people wont be able to hit. were import car companies typically state 0-60 times that anyone can get with their cars and that is typically why once the cars come out most people will find the dynos say they have more hp then reported. Where American cars typically once on a dyno have less HP then reported and the excuses start.. well thats to the wheels/ crank/ with these tires/ in this weather/ and so on. Two different cultures and two different marketing tactics. I just wish American manufactures actually just reported specs everyone who buys the car can get right off the show room floor instead of all the deception and BS.

I'm not sure how this relates to the Z06 and the perception that the new V8 will be less spectacular and the Z06 performance will suffer as a result, but I'll bite.

I don't normally look at just manufacturer numbers for these specs. I tend to look at either C&D or Motor Trend as they claim to standardize their tests. I believe the sub 3 second number I found was from Car & Driver, which to be honest I feel may shave a few tenths off of their real numbers so that it would appear that they're master drivers. Although, at the same time I figure that it's much easier to beat on a car that you're not financially responsible for, which may make it easier to launch hard.

I suspect that they spend a lot of time with everything from tire pressure, to making sure they only have enough gas in the tank to run their tests, to tweaking all the "nanny" settings in order to get their best times. If you had access to a testing facility, I'm sure it would be easy for you to have just enough fuel to run your tests and tweak settings on a proper test track.

Having said that, I'm in complete agreement, the average driver won't approach the numbers that we see either advertised, or in print. I suspect that will be the same for the Z06, which should be better than a regular C8, whether in the hands of a mag-rag editor, or joe blow, as I can't imagine GM releasing a "premium" trim of their flagship performance car and it not being able to perform better than its lesser version.

[Z OH 6]

Originally Posted by KaMaRow

But has anyone here that owns a C8 got it to do 0-60 in under 3 seconds? I know GM claims that but My self with a 2021 and my buddy with a 2022 we used draggy and the on board track app and we even took it to a drag strip. we tried in higher elevations and in lower. We tried pure 93 gas and 10 percent. we tried with a full tank and with a near empty tank we used launch control and not used launch control.. basically we tried every form and fashion of ways and we could never get a 0-60 in less then 3.1

See the problem with American manufacturers is they like to brag about a 0-60 that they got once in perfect conditions on the right track with the right set up and with the right humidity and temps and and and and and.... its a 0-60 that most people wont be able to hit. were import car companies typically state 0-60 times that anyone can get with their cars and that is typically why once the cars come out most people will find the dynos say they have more hp then reported. Where American cars typically once on a dyno have less HP then reported and the excuses start.. well thats to the wheels/ crank/ with these tires/ in this weather/ and so on. Two different cultures and two different marketing tactics. I just wish American manufactures actually just reported specs everyone who buys the car can get right off the show room floor instead of all the deception and BS.

In the real world, does it matter though? You can't feel the difference in a 2.9s vs 3.1s 0-60. All manufacturers test under near ideal conditions. It took about 2 years after the 2018 Dodge Demon was released before any owner could match Dodge's world record time of 9.65s 1/4, people tried at every track across the US during private events with a highly prepped track and negative DA before it was ever achieved. I don't even think its been done but a few times even at this point.

[raptor5244]

Yep, same thing in my ZL1. I see anywhere from 3.3 to 3.6 0-60mph advertised but I can only manage 3.7-3.8. I am sure if I could launch harder I could hit those numbers but it would not be typical. Optimal Pressures, heat up the tires, etc. In the real world no one really cares. I like that the tires start spinning and the rear end is wiggling.

[hawk02]

Originally Posted by raptor5244

Yeah, I think you really need to option the C8 with 2LT and Z51 package plus mag-ride which is separate now to get closer to the ZL1 for apple to apples on content. You need 2LT for the rear view mirror camera, BSM, RCTA, HUD, cooled seats, better stereo, etc. You need the Z51 to get the performance suspension setup, brakes, splitter, wing dual-mode exhaust and then mag-ride for another $1,850. Once you do that you are in the $80k+ range at MSRP.

Here's how I optioned my C8

• 2021 Corvette Stingray Convertible
• 2LT Trim Package
• GT2 Seats
• Seats two-tone with perforated suede microfiber seat inserts and steering wheel
• Torch Red seat belts
• Performance Exhaust
• Magnetic Selective Ride Control
• Front Lift
• Carbon Flash roof and nacelles
• All carbon flash side-mirrors
• Black composite rockers
• Black splash guards
• Edge Red Calipers
• 5 open spoke silver painted wheels

The front lift, two front cameras, and rearview mirror camera are the only features not on my ZL1.

[ZX-10R]

Would you rather own a 2021 911 (base) or C8? Acknowledging the cost delta (not so much with crazy markups) that choice is easy for me, I prefer clean lines (reminds me of my FD RX-7). The ZL1 is an angry bruiser and fits that role

[raptor5244]

Originally Posted by hawk02

Here's how I optioned my C8

• 2021 Corvette Stingray Convertible
• 2LT Trim Package
• GT2 Seats
• Seats two-tone with perforated suede microfiber seat inserts and steering wheel
• Torch Red seat belts
• Performance Exhaust
• Magnetic Selective Ride Control
• Front Lift
• Carbon Flash roof and nacelles
• All carbon flash side-mirrors
• Black composite rockers
• Black splash guards
• Edge Red Calipers
• 5 open spoke silver painted wheels

The front lift, two front cameras, and rearview mirror camera are the only features not on my ZL1.

Nice build. I like that the Rear View Camera is standard on the ZL1 now. It took a little getting used to but now I really like it. A front camera would be nice on the ZL1 but I usually back in to spots anyway.

The ZL1 package is really hard to beat from a price/performance perspective. Some may argue that the Camaro starts off as a $25k sedan and should not command the same price point as a dedicated sports car chassis. That may be true to a certain extent but that same Alpha platform was used on the 2019 Cadillac CTS-V, which was priced over $90k. The Camaro just benefits from the fact that GM can use the alpha platform across multiple brands and trim levels, which helps drive down cost. Works for me.

[KaMaRow]

Originally Posted by TXCSSU

I'm not sure how this relates to the Z06 and the perception that the new V8 will be less spectacular and the Z06 performance will suffer as a result, but I'll bite.

I don't normally look at just manufacturer numbers for these specs. I tend to look at either C&D or Motor Trend as they claim to standardize their tests. I believe the sub 3 second number I found was from Car & Driver, which to be honest I feel may shave a few tenths off of their real numbers so that it would appear that they're master drivers. Although, at the same time I figure that it's much easier to beat on a car that you're not financially responsible for, which may make it easier to launch hard.

I suspect that they spend a lot of time with everything from tire pressure, to making sure they only have enough gas in the tank to run their tests, to tweaking all the "nanny" settings in order to get their best times. If you had access to a testing facility, I'm sure it would be easy for you to have just enough fuel to run your tests and tweak settings on a proper test track.

Having said that, I'm in complete agreement, the average driver won't approach the numbers that we see either advertised, or in print. I suspect that will be the same for the Z06, which should be better than a regular C8, whether in the hands of a mag-rag editor, or joe blow, as I can't imagine GM releasing a "premium" trim of their flagship performance car and it not being able to perform better than its lesser version.

I was just responding to you saying the C8 IS a 0-60 sub 3 second car. IM simply saying ehhh not really. I under stand that some one some where once in perfect conditions go that and that 99.9 percent of drivers will never get that out of it is all im saying . so when i see people quote unattainable times from marketing material i just like to point out ... is it really?

And if you dont think car and driver and road and track dont get a little something something to put out certain numbers GM wants...

But yes I would assume the new Z06 would hopefully improve those numbers but will they be what GM says...highly unlikely

I agree with ya not arguing just pointing out

[NG329]

Not being able to tune the C8 was a major deal breaker for me. Sure there are some piggyback solutions as was mentioned earlier but you are still extremely limited.

With just a Magnuson 2650 on low boost and a basic tune you are taking the ZL1 1LE into World Beater territory and pushing 700-800HP. I'd bet a good sum of money that a Maggy equipped ZLE is a sub 7 minute Nurburgring car. Throw some $15k carbon fiber wheels at the ZLE and that performance is almost guaranteed. I'm 50/50 track/street with my ZL1 so being able to tweak and modify is critical for me.

@Z OH 6, Regarding torque, I'm really curious to see if even the Z06 could beat the ZL1 1LE in roll races starting at 40, 50, and 60mph. The spec sheet numbers don't seem to favor that outcome. A part of me wonders if the reason why GM hasn't released the Z06 already is due to the fact that they haven't hit their testing targets. If it was sub 7 at the ring I'm pretty sure that info would have leaked already or GM would be bragging about it.

Regarding the chassis, I'm also interested in seeing if the Z06 will be architecturally different from the base C8 in terms of handling and the numerous complaints of understeer.

Just a couple more months and I guess we'll get the answers to all of these questions. As it stands though, the C8 is a softly sprung, well mannered car (for the most part) not really tailored to the hard core track/performance enthusiast. ......watching a Pro driver take a base C8 and do impressive things with the car is kind of misleading. They can drive anything. The ZL1 1LE can make even an average driver look impressive.

[TXCSSU]

Originally Posted by raptor5244

Nice build. I like that the Rear View Camera is standard on the ZL1 now. It took a little getting used to but now I really like it. A front camera would be nice on the ZL1 but I usually back in to spots anyway.

The ZL1 package is really hard to beat from a price/performance perspective. Some may argue that the Camaro starts off as a $25k sedan and should not command the same price point as a dedicated sports car chassis. That may be true to a certain extent but that same Alpha platform was used on the 2019 Cadillac CTS-V, which was priced over $90k. The Camaro just benefits from the fact that GM can use the alpha platform across multiple brands and trim levels, which helps drive down cost. Works for me.

The rear-view camera is really nice, and makes just the mirror look like a horrid mess. I would love to keep it on, but I hate having to rely on all the tech. One thing I have noticed is how bad the mirror is in certain conditions when there's just enough vibration and everything looks blurred on the rear-view mirror. My initial thought was that it was just the vibration of the car making my vision weird, but when you switch the camera on and get a really clean view, it's obvious that it's the mirror.

[Z OH 6]

Originally Posted by TXCSSU

The rear-view camera is really nice, and makes just the mirror look like a horrid mess. I would love to keep it on, but I hate having to rely on all the tech. One thing I have noticed is how bad the mirror is in certain conditions when there's just enough vibration and everything looks blurred on the rear-view mirror. My initial thought was that it was just the vibration of the car making my vision weird, but when you switch the camera on and get a really clean view, it's obvious that it's the mirror.

I think this is one of the reasons the 5th and 6th Gen Camaros got a bad reputation for visibility. The rearview camera resolves a lot of the issues for me.

[raptor5244]

Originally Posted by TXCSSU

The rear-view camera is really nice, and makes just the mirror look like a horrid mess. I would love to keep it on, but I hate having to rely on all the tech. One thing I have noticed is how bad the mirror is in certain conditions when there's just enough vibration and everything looks blurred on the rear-view mirror. My initial thought was that it was just the vibration of the car making my vision weird, but when you switch the camera on and get a really clean view, it's obvious that it's the mirror.

Yeah, at first I got a little queasy when I would look at it and then after about a week or so I was fine. Kind of like playing a video game where the screen can make you a little dizzy but then if you keep at it for a bit you get used to it and does't bother you anymore.

I also played around with the zoom/FoV settings. It is pretty cool when you can see 3-4 lanes wide behind you. When merging on to the highway you can even use the rear view mirror since it has such a wide view.

[raptor5244]

Originally Posted by Z OH 6

I think this is one of the reasons the 5th and 6th Gen Camaros got a bad reputation for visibility. The rearview camera resolves a lot of the issues for me.

Indeed. I had a 5th gen 1LE and the first time I backed out of a spot I was like damn, you can't see crap. It is a good thing backup cams became standard.

[Z OH 6]

Originally Posted by NG329

Not being able to tune the C8 was a major deal breaker for me. Sure there are some piggyback solutions as was mentioned earlier but you are still extremely limited.

With just a Magnuson 2650 on low boost and a basic tune you are taking the ZL1 1LE into World Beater territory and pushing 700-800HP. I'd bet a good sum of money that a Maggy equipped ZLE is a sub 7 minute Nurburgring car. Throw some $15k carbon fiber wheels at the ZLE and that performance is almost guaranteed. I'm 50/50 track/street with my ZL1 so being able to tweak and modify is critical for me.

@Z OH 6, Regarding torque, I'm really curious to see if even the Z06 could beat the ZL1 1LE in roll races starting at 40, 50, and 60mph. The spec sheet numbers don't seem to favor that outcome. A part of me wonders if the reason why GM hasn't released the Z06 already is due to the fact that they haven't hit their testing targets. If it was sub 7 at the ring I'm pretty sure that info would have leaked already or GM would be bragging about it.

Regarding the chassis, I'm also interested in seeing if the Z06 will be architecturally different from the base C8 in terms of handling and the numerous complaints of understeer.

Just a couple more months and I guess we'll get the answers to all of these questions. As it stands though, the C8 is a softly sprung, well mannered car (for the most part) not really tailored to the hard core track/performance enthusiast. ......watching a Pro driver take a base C8 and do impressive things with the car is kind of misleading. They can drive anything. The ZL1 1LE can make even an average driver look impressive.

They haven't released the Z06 yet because production delays have been a problem for all auto manufacturers, the C8 is no different and arguably much worse because of extremely high demand.

[DangerZL1]

Originally Posted by raptor5244

Indeed. I had a 5th gen 1LE and the first time I backed out of a spot I was like damn, you can't see crap. It is a good thing backup cams became standard.

The poor rearward visibility and the blind spots contributed to the decision to sell my 2012 ZL1. I wouldn't have purchased a 2022 without the blind spot detection and the rear camera.