[Gunkk]

Originally Posted by hawk02

if you enjoy top down driving, the C8 is the ultimate American sport convertible.

Except that there is one thing the c8 isn't. There is only one car that is truly the ultimate American convertible, and that's a

A SIX-HUNDRED FIFTY HORSEPOWER CONVERTIBLE

[Z OH 6]

Originally Posted by NG329

I don't know man, the understeer has been well documented. I recall a GM rep mentioning it although he did seem to downplay it and eluded to it being an inherent attribute associated with mid engine vehicles. Your point is well taken though. I'm keeping an opened mind and will reserve final judgement for when I actually get my hands on the car.

To clarify, I only heard of braking complaints (Fade, glazing), on the non Z51 trim. If I did get the C8 I think I'd get the non Z51 and 'go my own way' with the upgrades (Wing, Brakes, Suspension, Headers).

As you stated, keep an open mind until you drive one, your opinion will change.

[hawk02]

Originally Posted by Gunkk

Except that there is one thing the c8 isn't. There is only one car that is truly the ultimate American convertible, and that's a

A SIX-HUNDRED FIFTY HORSEPOWER CONVERTIBLE

Well, I’ll agree 155 more horses would be nice. But that’s as far as I’ll agree. Especially after owning three 5th gen Camaro Convertibles.

Other than HP, here are the advantages of the C8 hardtop convertible.

1. No loss of storage space when the top is down. Full use of the trunk and frunk.
2. No wrinkles or marks on the top from going up or down
3. No specials cleaners or canvas waterproofing compounds to apply periodically
4. Rear window doesn’t flap in the wind when driving with the windows down
5. Interior noise same as the coupe when the top is up
6. Rear window can be opened when the top is up

[Vigilante375]

Originally Posted by Gunkk

Except that there is one thing the c8 isn't. There is only one car that is truly the ultimate American convertible, and that's a

A SIX-HUNDRED FIFTY HORSEPOWER CONVERTIBLE

Well we are comparing the top tier Camaro vs the bottom tier Corvette......

[minn19]

Originally Posted by Z OH 6

Because I've owned both and I have direct experience. I've already given my impressions. On paper the ZL1 handles better than the C8 Z51, that's not even debatable. I also stated that from an amateur driving perspective, the C8 Z51 feels a little more planted because its a mid engine platform, lower centry of gravity and less power means there's less chance of oversteer which can inspire confidence in an amateurs hands. None of that changes the fact that objectionably, the ZL1 handles better, hence my response.

As for the transmissions, again, I have direct experience with both, there's literally nothing the DCT does better than the A10. DCT's use to be the end game transmission that everyone was chasing, but the A10 is so darn good that its really a wash. Both are so close in performance its not even worth discussion, the only major difference is that some people hate the feel of DCTs at low rpms, they can feel a little clunky.

Maybe we are saying the same thing (maybe). On paper the ZL1 beats the C8 in a bunch of stats but so does the C8 in launches from a dig. In an amateurs hands the C8 when properly setup will feel better to most than a ZL1 and be able to be driven towards the limits easier. So in real life most will think it handles better which is all the really matters at the end of the day for the majority of people that own these cars.

As for A10 vs DCT/PDK I have the same argument. I haven’t driven Chevys version of the DCT yet, but a ton of BMW and Porsche ones. Those still feel better to me and a lot of others, especially with metal paddle shifters vs Chevys plastic ones. The engagement just seems to be much more well engaging even though on paper the shift times between all of them are imperceptible. I’ve read that the A10 has problems with skipping multiple gears when downshifting as well, I haven’t experienced that but have read it happening from multiple sources.

So for street I don’t think his and others similar opinions are nonsense, for track the track maybe. Once the Z06 comes out all of this will be mute as it will be the clear winner but unfortunately unobtainable for most.

[ZX-10R]

It's important to consider actual measured power on a dyno vs difference in claimed numbers.

The C8 is making about 450 rwhp, which is ok, but not very impressive in 2022



The ZL1 is producing about 560 rwhp on average, and it's much easier to mod to get to 700 (with an upgraded oil pump to replace the crap stocker)

I don't like getting smacked around by annoying dweeb punks in their M3s - that's going to happen if you drive a C8

[FRANK121]

I had a 2011 Camaro 2SS that was whippled and dynoed at 635 rwhp.
Traded it in in 2014 when the Corvette Stingrays came back, then I traded
up to the Corvette Z06 in 2015 and then the Z07 in 2016 before getting the
2020 mid engine Corvette. Went back to the 2022 Camaro ZL1 and love it!

a lot has changed but I feel the new ZL1 compares more to the Z06 in performance than the mid engine Corvette.

[ZX-10R]

if those are your only mods that's healthy numbers

[FRANK121]

On the 2011 SS?
The answer is No

Motor was built by CBI Street cars tuned by DSX Tuning
Had Kooks LT headers with HF Cats GM Performance axle back mufflers
3800 stall convertor and ran 10.9's

It was loud and fast but didn't handle worth crap! Anything above 140 was SCARY!

[ZX-10R]

No the 2022

[NG329]

So, getting back on track, it's reviews like this that make me scratch my head.

Road Atlanta fast guy sells his GT3 for a C8, initially hates the car, then dumps $5,000 into the suspension just to get it to handle well.

[Chippy]

Current C8 is for the older crowd with tupes and Velcro shoes like Brandon. Oh and chicks.

[NG329]

Originally Posted by Chippy

Current C8 is for the older crowd with tupes and Velcro shoes like Brandon. Oh and chicks.

Yeah but it looks 'da business' tho! hahaha

[Z OH 6]

Originally Posted by Chippy

Current C8 is for the older crowd with tupes and Velcro shoes like Brandon. Oh and chicks.

That's really not true at all, that's a VERY outdated stereotype. Every vehicle has some older buyers, Corvette is no different. The C8 has attracted a LARGE population of younger buyers. In fact, most of the C8's I've seen are owned by drivers under 50 years old. The C8 design team took a lot of risks with the exterior design in hopes of attracting more young buyers, and it worked. I had one, 46 years old, no tupe, no velcro shoes or white New Balance as the stereotype goes.