[Wyzz Kydd]

Originally Posted by CamaroDreams76

I was thinking that but didnt want to post it. I do not think this made contact going 157. I think something got his speed going that fast (RTCIC based system) and the news blows it up to make a story. No car is going to survive that at 80 let alone almost double that. Its just going to look like someone stuck an m80 into a beer can at that speed...... both cars.

This kid is done. Fines, restitution, jail time then the family's civil suit. Even by the grace of god he doesnt get jail time, the fines and restitution this kid is going to have to pay. The lottery may not even fix it.

If he’s doing 157 and they’re doing let’s say 80, going in the same direction, then the impact would be comparable to a car doing 77 and hitting a stationary object. To me even that is doubtful given the damage to the Camaro. That looks like at most a 30-40 mph differential.

[Gen6cyl]

I agree, hard to believe he was going 157 when he made contact.

[laynlo15]

Idiots like this make us all look bad. He's gonna get some jail time and ruin his life. He's already destroyed lives by killing family members and injuring others.

[FlukeSS]

Originally Posted by CamaroDreams76

I was thinking that but didnt want to post it. I do not think this made contact going 157. I think something got his speed going that fast (RTCIC based system) and the news blows it up to make a story. No car is going to survive that at 80 let alone almost double that. Its just going to look like someone stuck an m80 into a beer can at that speed...... both cars.

This kid is done. Fines, restitution, jail time then the family's civil suit. Even by the grace of god he doesnt get jail time, the fines and restitution this kid is going to have to pay. The lottery may not even fix it.

I am inclined to agree. Camaro was in way to good of shape to be an impact at that speed.

I've seen videos of corvettes hitting the back of a semi, and literally rip themselves in 1/2. Seen the engine detach from the car and keep going, the driver ejected. And they weren't going nearly as fast as that.

Either way, the camaro hit the gas tank of the SUV, which was the deal breaker.

[LT1gen6]

Regardless of speed or its difference, a major black eye is delivered to "Camaro" for the world and all insurers to see. Obviously, this pales in comparison to lives lost in the accident. It's tragic in several dimensions.

This type of accident is an event that illustrates that drivers are ambassadors for the cars they choose to drive. And, it's far wiser to be responsible, polite, and cautious than it is to be one who "needs to stretch it out" on a public road. If someone truly needs to stretch, yoga is a much better choice for everyone involved.

If a car is used as a weapon to take lives, then it is appropriate to compare it to any other weapon. For example, a responsible handgun owner does not whimsically fire their weapon "just any place or time," because they "need to stretch it out," endangering lives and property in the process. Doing so is plain stupid, and criminal. And, there are numerous legal places to fire weapons, including clubs, ranges, private properties, and permitted public lands.

So it is for Camaro and other similar cars. Their drivers would be far better off in thinking of ways that HP, torque, handling, and stopping ability can be used in accident avoidance instead of creation, while being used on public roads. On a track? There are still plenty of rules that have to be followed in order to compete/participate. Finally, the laws of physics are inescapable, regardless of the strength of a driver's ego or pocketbook.

Otherwise? Use a car as a weapon and suffer the consequences. And, risk having Camaro being thought of like an assault weapon. These are definitely not in my practice or intent.

[Number 3]

Not enough to see, but most of the damage to the Camaro isbon the passenger side. Drivers side fender is pretty much intact. You have to look at the damage to the SUV to get a sense of the impact.

My assessment is the right front corner of the Camaro impacted the left rear of the SUV. Miss judged the closing speed while passing? Tried to veer/pass on the left at the last second? Regardless closing speed as pointed out is the issue compounded by it being a “soft” impact, car to car. It’s why the driver of the Camaro is alive. 157 into the steel barrier used for crash testing would have disintegrated the Camaro along with the driver. This was not that.

Stupid and foolish. No innocent person should ever lose their life or even be injured because of the stupidity of another. Always sad to see this.

[Gen6cyl]

I drove a lt1 manual in January.I did 80 in 2nd gear and thought I don't need this sh#@t. l am happy with my v6 manual.

[mariojas]

Originally Posted by LT1gen6

Regardless of speed or its difference, a major black eye is delivered to "Camaro" for the world and all insurers to see. Obviously, this pales in comparison to lives lost in the accident. It's tragic in several dimensions.

This type of accident is an event that illustrates that drivers are ambassadors for the cars they choose to drive. And, it's far wiser to be responsible, polite, and cautious than it is to be one who "needs to stretch it out" on a public road. If someone truly needs to stretch, yoga is a much better choice for everyone involved.

If a car is used as a weapon to take lives, then it is appropriate to compare it to any other weapon. For example, a responsible handgun owner does not whimsically fire their weapon "just any place or time," because they "need to stretch it out," endangering lives and property in the process. Doing so is plain stupid, and criminal. And, there are numerous legal places to fire weapons, including clubs, ranges, private properties, and permitted public lands.

So it is for Camaro and other similar cars. Their drivers would be far better off in thinking of ways that HP, torque, handling, and stopping ability can be used in accident avoidance instead of creation, while being used on public roads. On a track? There are still plenty of rules that have to be followed in order to compete/participate. Finally, the laws of physics are inescapable, regardless of the strength of a driver's ego or pocketbook.

Otherwise? Use a car as a weapon and suffer the consequences. And, risk having Camaro being thought of like an assault weapon. These are definitely not in my practice or intent.

Comparing it to the gun is not accurate... Gun is being used for protection - car to commute (mostly). You don't use gun for anything else as to cause damage. Either for protection yours or others, or to do criminal stuff. Although I agree that going much faster than speed limit is like running with a loaded gun with finger on the trigger on the city center sidewalk. "But I am not shooting" - but doing that you are increasing risk, endangering others.

[FlukeSS]

Their drivers would be far better off in thinking of ways that HP, torque, handling, and stopping ability can be used in accident avoidance instead of creation

I actually faced a situation like this not to long ago, and actually it was while I was driving to my Pro Shop to do the mods.

Driving on I-69 which had construction down to 1 lane and one of the Construction trucks doing 50-60mph hit a construction barrel, and it threw the barrel 3 lanes over in front of me. I slowed down as I saw it with my peripheral vision and the barrel crossed in front of my car missing my right side corner fender by about 6 feet.

Then when I looked up I realized I had dodged left to avoid the barrel more assuredly. And was heading straight into another construction barrel. Yanked the steering wheel right at 60mph the car instantly responded and I missed that construction barrel by about a few feet on my front left bumper.

If I had had my stock tires on at the time I would not have been able to make these corrections at that speed. I was happy I had my new wheels and wider summer tires on.

The Semi driving behind me backed way off like 1/8th of a mile behind me after that and kept that distance.

Got lucky, because I would have cried like a school girl if my car got damaged.

[mariojas]

Originally Posted by FlukeSS

I actually faced a situation like this not to long ago, and actually it was while I was driving to my Pro Shop to do the mods.

Driving on I-69 which had construction down to 1 lane and one of the Construction trucks doing 50-60mph hit a construction barrel, and it threw the barrel 3 lanes over in front of me. I slowed down as I saw it with my peripheral vision and the barrel crossed in front of my car missing my right side corner fender by about 6 feet.

Then when I looked up I realized I had dodged left to avoid the barrel more assuredly. And was heading straight into another construction barrel. Yanked the steering wheel right at 60mph the car instantly responded and I missed that construction barrel by about a few feet on my front left bumper.

If I had had my stock tires on at the time I would not have been able to make these corrections at that speed. I was happy I had my new wheels and wider summer tires on.

The Semi driving behind me backed way off like 1/8th of a mile behind me after that and kept that distance.

Got lucky, because I would have cried like a school girl if my car got damaged.

Yup. While people buy cheaper tires because "I can drive slower" or "Those are just fine". Or manufacturers give "just enough" brakes in the cars. It is just beyond me how we can mass produce so many cars, where economic of scale should give everybody good (low tier) brembos or something more significant than what economy cars have.

[LT1ornothing]

Originally Posted by Gen6cyl

I drove a lt1 manual in January.I did 80 in 2nd gear and thought I don't need this sh#@t. l am happy with my v6 manual.

I drove a v6 manual in 2019 and was extremely disappointed with the lack of torque. Walked away and saved for another year and bought a 2020 LT1 manual, best decision I have ever made. My camaro is not my daily, and I require much more torque and power for my weekend toy. Glad you feel your v6 is enough for you, my camaro needs to do 11's in the 1/4 mile or better to fulfill my needs.

[The Blackheart]

How tragic!

[3.8TransAM]

Originally Posted by 95 imp

I'm surprised the Camaro held up so well...

I don't know, there have been some seriously nasty wrecks posted of sixth gens and the actual body compartment has been amazingly intact.

Originally Posted by CamaroDreams76

I was thinking that but didnt want to post it. I do not think this made contact going 157. I think something got his speed going that fast (RTCIC based system) and the news blows it up to make a story. No car is going to survive that at 80 let alone almost double that. Its just going to look like someone stuck an m80 into a beer can at that speed...... both cars.

This kid is done. Fines, restitution, jail time then the family's civil suit. Even by the grace of god he doesnt get jail time, the fines and restitution this kid is going to have to pay. The lottery may not even fix it.

I could believe it as easily as not believing it. Lot of factors involved, exactly how did they impact. Looks like Camaro shoved partially under on impact and slightly off center vs. dead on straight, etc. Vehicle was moving and it was a free wheeling impact vs. stopped or into a solid object, etc. As I mentioned above there have been some nasty wrecks of 6th gens posted and the body compartment area is intact.


Either way dude was a total idiot.

[Vtor_ZL1]

To be 22 w 400+hp car that cost $40K+.. recipe for failure.