[redcoats1976]

i know im a heretic but id like to see the 7th gen camaro offered withan EV option...not a damn 4 door,but a proper camaro that happens to be an EV.

[Xyebo]

Originally Posted by Hops

That's interesting. I'd thought that cooling would be an issue before the brakes, but i guess the braking limitation keeps a check on overheating? ...

By brakes wearing out fast I meant the pads wearing down fast due to a smaller caliper size. With the proper pads (DFC 1000 Street/Track) and a good fluid (Motul RBF 600), they're not a concern. I also haven't encountered any cooling issues on track, and I took the car to a 100f track day at Buttonwillow, Calif..
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Originally Posted by gpskinzhut

You check with Overkill Motorsports with regard to tuning and such?

http://getoverkilled.ca/

I considered, but with the CARB limitations (can't even get a damn cold-air intake in California!) and marginal HP gains it's just not worth it.

[DallasCub]

Originally Posted by Malbjey

Would just have to settle for T-Tops.

[wintertopdown]

Almost 140k miles on my V6! I zip around the country and with 93 it certainly performs better than 87…

[UnknownJinX]

Originally Posted by wintertopdown

Almost 140k miles on my V6! I zip around the country and with 93 it certainly performs better than 87…

I would be curious to see a dyno to prove that it's not a placebo.

Or maybe the 87 in your area is just that bad?

[ember1205]

Originally Posted by UnknownJinX

I would be curious to see a dyno to prove that it's not a placebo.

Or maybe the 87 in your area is just that bad?

Yeah, I'm with you on that... Unless the motor is somehow detuning on 87 because of poor fuel quality, there should be zero performance difference. The V6 isn't a high compression motor and doesn't need the higher octane to prevent detonation...

[lt4camaro]

Originally Posted by UnknownJinX

I would be curious to see a dyno to prove that it's not a placebo.

Or maybe the 87 in your area is just that bad?

I owned and drove a 2016 V6 manual for 10k miles including a few 1/4 mile passes and concluded the same thing, the car runs better on a steady diet of 93 octane. How can you even doubt a owner that has driven 140k on his V6 Camaro and saying the car runs better on a 93 octane diet. The factory tune has to be very controlled and restrictive to allow this 11.5 to 1 compression ratio engine to run on piss 87 octane. Heat and spark knock sensitivity controls the timing , running nothing but 93 octane, the engine should never hear spark knock. Do a dyno test on a heat soaked V6 on 87 and then on 93, you will see a difference.

[lt4camaro]

Originally Posted by ember1205

Yeah, I'm with you on that... Unless the motor is somehow detuning on 87 because of poor fuel quality, there should be zero performance difference. The V6 isn't a high compression motor and doesn't need the higher octane to prevent detonation...

11.5 to 1 on the V6 isnt considered a high compression motor??

[ember1205]

Originally Posted by lt4camaro

11.5 to 1 on the V6 isnt considered a high compression motor??

Yeah, not really what I was aiming to convey with the high compression item... I was really trying to say that the V6 isn't designed and tuned in a way that compression is an issue with 87 octane fuel. Yes, you can run higher, but it's 0% necessary to do so in order to achieve the rated specs.

If the engine has been tuned at all, if the quality of the 87 fuel being used is sub-par, if the car has not been operated a majority of the time with Top Tier fuels and high concentrations of detergent... Then the operating characteristics of the motor may be getting degraded by the computer, and running 93 could be providing a placebo effect sort of performance increase.

Under proper conditions, there should be no appreciable difference in how the car performs on different octane fuels.

[Gen6cyl]

I ran my 21 V6 6 SPD on 87 for first 18k miles,then changed to 93.I run 93 always now.It is BS to run reg in lgx if you run it hard.

[lt4camaro]

Originally Posted by ember1205

Yeah, not really what I was aiming to convey with the high compression item... I was really trying to say that the V6 isn't designed and tuned in a way that compression is an issue with 87 octane fuel. Yes, you can run higher, but it's 0% necessary to do so in order to achieve the rated specs.

If the engine has been tuned at all, if the quality of the 87 fuel being used is sub-par, if the car has not been operated a majority of the time with Top Tier fuels and high concentrations of detergent... Then the operating characteristics of the motor may be getting degraded by the computer, and running 93 could be providing a placebo effect sort of performance increase.

Under proper conditions, there should be no appreciable difference in how the car performs on different octane fuels.

Timing is horsepower, timing is MPG, timing is driveability. I will always strive to have my cars to run in the highest possible timing tables under all conditions, running 87 octane will not get you there.

[UnknownJinX]

Guys, no need to get worked up when we are just trying to save you guys some money...

Originally Posted by lt4camaro

I owned and drove a 2016 V6 manual for 10k miles including a few 1/4 mile passes and concluded the same thing, the car runs better on a steady diet of 93 octane. How can you even doubt a owner that has driven 140k on his V6 Camaro and saying the car runs better on a 93 octane diet. The factory tune has to be very controlled and restrictive to allow this 11.5 to 1 compression ratio engine to run on piss 87 octane. Heat and spark knock sensitivity controls the timing , running nothing but 93 octane, the engine should never hear spark knock. Do a dyno test on a heat soaked V6 on 87 and then on 93, you will see a difference.

The thing is, if you are DDing, then heat soaking shouldn't become an issue.

And without data, it could be placebo. You'd never know. Sometimes sugar pills are just as effective if you don't people they are sugar pills.

Originally Posted by ember1205

Yeah, not really what I was aiming to convey with the high compression item... I was really trying to say that the V6 isn't designed and tuned in a way that compression is an issue with 87 octane fuel. Yes, you can run higher, but it's 0% necessary to do so in order to achieve the rated specs.

If the engine has been tuned at all, if the quality of the 87 fuel being used is sub-par, if the car has not been operated a majority of the time with Top Tier fuels and high concentrations of detergent... Then the operating characteristics of the motor may be getting degraded by the computer, and running 93 could be providing a placebo effect sort of performance increase.

Under proper conditions, there should be no appreciable difference in how the car performs on different octane fuels.

Exactly. Mazda runs 13:1 on their NA SkyActiv engines and they run just fine on 87 octane. Granted, they aren't performance engines and they require some hardware tricks to achieve that(the massive exhaust manifold - not headifold - being one), but the idea is that you can make a high compression NA engine run on 87.

Technically, LGX and LT1 both have 11.5:1 compression ratio, but LT1 is optimized for the premium fuel so that's why it's recommended. I just don't know if LGX, by stock, has a map specifically for high octane fuel. If not, then there isn't much reason to use above 87 unless you are tracking.

Originally Posted by Gen6cyl

I ran my 21 V6 6 SPD on 87 for first 18k miles,then changed to 93.I run 93 always now.It is BS to run reg in lgx if you run it hard.

Track hard? I can understand since you are trying to have some safety there, and realistically, most tracks only sell high octane fuel, anyway.


Once-in-a-while highway pull? That's where I am curious to see the data. Nothing heat soaked, since we are talking about DD.

[Raisin Man]

Originally Posted by Anjilslaire

I realize everyone here is a die-hard speed or track fan, with either an SS or 1LE, but I don't ever see any threads from the 1LT, 2LT, or 3LT crowd. I realize everyone scoffs at the V6, but I'm honestly surprised they there is no discussion at all on the 6cyl xLT models. I love mine, with Adrenaline Red interior and all the amenities.

Just curious: what is the breakdown in sales by model/trim? Am I just an outlier and nobody buys the 3LT?

Thanks

Au contraire! Camaro V6 is / was a bit of a gateway drug! Wife & I were given a Camaro V6 convertible (in the middle of winter, of course) at Avis car rental at the Nashville airport probably 18 months ago. She had plenty of poke, and the chassis / handling was fabulous. I was very impressed with the car. Fast forward - I recently purchased a 2022 ZL1 which has more power, but reflects those same great handling characteristics evident in the V6.

[len125]

I love mine! 2021 2LT Camaro...runs great great sound and pickup....