[MightyBobo]

Originally Posted by Zr8000

The big vent in the middle of the hood bothers me more than the bow tie placement.

That is also an ugly feature.

Neither of these should be deal-breakers as you can "fix" them. But, it did make for a relatively unappealing looking refresh.

[wwiiavfan]

OP, the good news is there is very little difference in the main reason for buying the SS, the amazing performance for the money. The ability (if so desired) to drive it from the showroom to the track under warranty is astonishing in this day and age. You really can’t go wrong with any year in your range.

[Cptchris]

Well I love my 2019ss, but I did black out my Chevy bow tie.


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[FarmerFran]

Originally Posted by enzia35

Better infotainment, updated looks, camera rearview mirror.
Separated into 16-18, 20-22. We don't talk about '19.

Originally Posted by sengli

As I remember the A10 auto trans came out in 2018. I have owned a 17, 18, now a 2020. Hard to tell them apart on the inside. Different front fascia , and tail light groups here and there.

Notice, he skipped the 19

[Justcruising]

Originally Posted by enzia35

Better infotainment, updated looks, camera rearview mirror.
Separated into 16-18, 20-22. We don't talk about '19.

Thats just mean man my feelings are some kind of hurt
I have a 19, i like the odd look

[LT1ornothing]

Originally Posted by Justcruising

Thats just mean man my feelings are some kind of hurt
I have a 19, i like the odd look

I hear you man, but unless you lucked out and bought black, the 2019 front end looks like an extremely rushed last minute design on the Friday morning of a long weekend when everyone was already half baked and ready to go before the shift was over.

[Anon9785]

Originally Posted by wwiiavfan

OP, the good news is there is very little difference in the main reason for buying the SS, the amazing performance for the money. The ability (if so desired) to drive it from the showroom to the track under warranty is astonishing in this day and age. You really can’t go wrong with any year in your range.

I am eyeing a 2018 SS with very very low miles which is the original reason i started this thread. Its significantly less than what I would pay for a 2022 SS. But if theres not a huge difference, the savings is worth it to me. Ignore what it says i currently have on my profile, i put in something random for anonymous reasons.

[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by Anon9785

I am eyeing a 2018 SS with very very low miles which is the original reason i started this thread. Its significantly less than what I would pay for a 2022 SS. But if theres not a huge difference, the savings is worth it to me. Ignore what it says i currently have on my profile, i put in something random for anonymous reasons.

What do you consider important in your Camaro, what are your priorities? There have been many small changes in many areas from 2016 through 2022, so it'd be useful to know what matters to you the most.

For example, if you want rewinding satellite or HD radio, you need the 2019+, because it has a new infotainment platform compared to the 2016-2018. However, if you are more focused on performance and handling capabilities, you can save a lot by going with a 2018 and a manual trans. I won't go into the budding discussion of looks, it's subjective anyway. Suffice to say, I absolutely love my 2018 2SS.

[Anon9785]

Originally Posted by arpad_m

What do you consider important in your Camaro, what are your priorities? There have been many small changes in many areas from 2016 through 2022, so it'd be useful to know what matters to you the most.

For example, if you want rewinding satellite or HD radio, you need the 2019+, because it has a new infotainment platform compared to the 2016-2018. However, if you are more focused on performance and handling capabilities, you can save a lot by going with a 2018 and a manual trans. I won't go into the budding discussion of looks, it's subjective anyway. Suffice to say, I absolutely love my 2018 2SS.

Main priorities? Performance, power, handling. Stuff like the infotainment is minor to me. As a guy who likes electronics, stuff like the head unit and speakers are minor because i can swap those out.

[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by Anon9785

Main priorities? Performance, power, handling. Stuff like the infotainment is minor to me. As a guy who likes electronics, stuff like the head unit and speakers are minor because i can swap those out.

I see, thanks. Performance-wise there have been few changes in the 6th gen, the engine and the drivetrain are mostly the same with one notable exception, the automatic trans option changed in 2019 from the 8L90 (8-speed) to the 10L80 (10-speed). The manual trans option is the same Tremec TR-6060 unit in all model years.

The 8L90, first introduced in 2014-2015 with the C7 if I remember correctly, had an endemic torque converter shudder issue that was only solved in 2019 with a non-hygroscopic fluid, so it's possible that a 2018 exhibits this issue, but it's fixable with a TSB at the dealership.

The 10L80 is the "little brother" of the ZL1's 10L90, it has a significantly lower torque rating than either the 10L90 or the 8L90, but it doesn't seem to have widespread issues, apart from some inherent quirks the likes of what every transmission has.

As I said above, neither the LT1 engine nor the rest of the drivetrain has changed substantially from 2016 to 2022 in the SS trim.

In terms of handling, I'm sure you're aware of the 1LE track package that cannot be retrofitted. However, I also have a standard 2SS and switched to wider 1LE wheels with some quality tires, plus I added the BMR rear cradle lockout kit to eliminate the slight bushing deflection in the rear. These enhancements are more than enough for the street IMO, cornering capability is much improved with them. I added the 6-piston brakes, too, since I have a bit more power than stock.

One final point, the standard SS sits a bit higher than the SS 1LE, which may be viewed both as an advantage (much less of a chance of driveway/parking ramp scraping) or a drawback (handling is less tight, no lowered look).

[Brudda*Termite]

Mostly cosmetic and tech changes between 16-18 and 19-22 but the auto transmission stuff is significant. I have a 17 with the A8 but was fortunate to catch the shudder early and the transmission performs just fine. If you're leery about the A8 issues, might be better to go for an A10 car or manual...

[Anon9785]

Originally Posted by arpad_m

I see, thanks. Performance-wise there have been few changes in the 6th gen, the engine and the drivetrain are mostly the same with one notable exception, the automatic trans option changed in 2019 from the 8L90 (8-speed) to the 10L80 (10-speed). The manual trans option is the same Tremec TR-6060 unit in all model years.

The 8L90, first introduced in 2014-2015 with the C7 if I remember correctly, had an endemic torque converter shudder issue that was only solved in 2019 with a non-hygroscopic fluid, so it's possible that a 2018 exhibits this issue, but it's fixable with a TSB at the dealership.

The 10L80 is the "little brother" of the ZL1's 10L90, it has a significantly lower torque rating than either the 10L90 or the 8L90, but it doesn't seem to have widespread issues, apart from some inherent quirks the likes of what every transmission has.

As I said above, neither the LT1 engine nor the rest of the drivetrain has changed substantially from 2016 to 2022 in the SS trim.

In terms of handling, I'm sure you're aware of the 1LE track package that cannot be retrofitted. However, I also have a standard 2SS and switched to wider 1LE wheels with some quality tires, plus I added the BMR rear cradle lockout kit to eliminate the slight bushing deflection in the rear. These enhancements are more than enough for the street IMO, cornering capability is much improved with them. I added the 6-piston brakes, too, since I have a bit more power than stock.

One final point, the standard SS sits a bit higher than the SS 1LE, which may be viewed both as an advantage (much less of a chance of driveway/parking ramp scraping) or a drawback (handling is less tight, no lowered look).

Is the 8L90 better than the 10L80? As in is it worth paying more for the 10 speed?

Does the 18 2SS trim come with brembo front and rears? Thanks

[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by Anon9785

Is the 8L90 better than the 10L80? As in is it worth paying more for the 10 speed?

If you want to leave the powertrain stock, then yes, maybe. The 8L90 will hold more torque if you are planning thinking about engine power adders down the line. The 10L80 is a lower risk option with zero known widespread defects, it has a useful extra gear ratio between the 8L90's 4th and 5th, and its paddle response time is a bit better than that of the 8L90. I personally am completely satisfied with my 8L90, but it is also tuned, which helps a lot in extracting performance and improving shift consistency a bit.

Originally Posted by Anon9785

Does the 18 2SS trim come with brembo front and rears? Thanks

Yes, 4-piston Brembo brakes front and rear for both the 1SS and the 2SS. I upgraded these to larger 1LE rotors and 6-piston calipers because of the extra power, the 4-piston front brakes are quite good for a stock SS, stopping distance is short, and the stock Ferodo pads are outstanding. (They dust a lot "in return", so some members swapped them out for PowerStop pads that have lesser performance but virtually no brake dust.)

[Anon9785]

Originally Posted by arpad_m

If you want to leave the powertrain stock, then yes, maybe. The 8L90 will hold more torque if you are planning thinking about engine power adders down the line. The 10L80 is a lower risk option with zero known widespread defects, it has a useful extra gear ratio between the 8L90's 4th and 5th, and its paddle response time is a bit better than that of the 8L90. I personally am completely satisfied with my 8L90, but it is also tuned, which helps a lot in extracting performance and improving shift consistency a bit.



Yes, 4-piston Brembo brakes front and rear for both the 1SS and the 2SS. I upgraded these to larger 1LE rotors and 6-piston calipers because of the extra power, the 4-piston front brakes are quite good for a stock SS, stopping distance is short, and the stock Ferodo pads are outstanding. (They dust a lot "in return", so some members swapped them out for PowerStop pads that have lesser performance but virtually no brake dust.)

Thank you. I am going to hunt down a 2021 or 2022 1SS camaro automatic. I would rather not have to worry/stress about a known issue and just enjoy the car. Are there any known issues with the 2021/2022 years?