[ZL1 1LE]

My concerns are with the availability of and the price of gasoline going forward.

[fielderLS3]

Originally Posted by Evansa22

Not trying to bash EV's as much as pointing out the issues which could arise. Power outages because of demand is already nothing new in this state. They've had many years to turn it around yet here we are with the same problems, adding some strain to the system will only exacerbate the problem. These are also my views based on living in this area my whole life, I'm sure many others acrossed the country will be different. Hopefully they're not gonna use this state as a blueprint for the rest of the country because it could get ugly. Technology will always move forward however and hopefully more viable options will be discovered. I dont think the impact of all these batteries which will need to be built (precious metals), and eventually discarded or possibly recycled, will be realized until further down the road. Who knows,, Maybe next they'll be a push for Flintstone style vehicles, better start doing more legs. Now that will be zero emissions, unless you count farts

They do actually count farts....thus we have beyond meat, the EV of food.

Originally Posted by ZL1 1LE

My concerns are with the availability of and the price of gasoline going forward.

A valid concern, but the same can be said of electricity. Remember, the same people who brought California 5 dollar gas (if you're lucky this summer) are the same people remodeling your grid into their own utopian images. Your electric prices are already double or more much of the country for a reason.

[clg82]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Just because you're against something doesn't exactly mean you have to make up stuff. Were people fighting during gas shortages? I remember after Hurricane Sandy there were very few stations open and each one had a 2 hour wait. Nobody was fighting. If that was a potential issue then there will be cops or state troopers on standby. And not for nothing, wishing disaster on the public just means you're wishing it on yourself too.

We're all in the same boat. The writing has been on the wall for a long time. This is the direction that we are moving in. So why would you want it to fail? And FTR, nothing happens overnight. The grids and infrastucture will increase and adapt as more and more people go in this direction. There will be increased capacity.

And also, yea you might have to tell kids about V8s one day. But how much technology was lost as generations continue to evolve? Nobody will care about V8s. Cars will be soo far advanced that it'll be like telling kids that AOL dial up and buffering was an awesome thing. Or like telling kids that banks closing at 1pm on Saturday was soo cool. Or like telling them that bias ply tires and having a manual choke switch in a car or having those hubs on 4x4 trucks that you had to get out the truck and manually turn to engage 4WD was just the best ever. Nobody will care. Their cars and tech will be soo far and away better than outs that it'll be look someone trying to convince you that a 200R4 is a way better trans than our current A10s are, lol!!

Get with the times. If anything, time has proven that cars get faster, perform better, and have way more tech as time continues to pass. Nobody will even be thinking about LT4s in 10 years from now.

Originally Posted by arpad_m

Not sure why you're messing with Blaq, his posts have been pretty reasonable. Acccusing him of cancel culture bs is completely uncalled for, too. I'm as unhappy with this forced PC EV push as you are, but I always say let's have a discussion and consider each other's points.

If there were no mandates and ICE cancellation plans whatsoever, people would still buy some EVs, because there are scenarios they are optimal for: people who hate or are indifferent to driving, short distance city commutes or shopping trips, availability of a garage for overnight charging. I'd also get one for the wife if any were available at a reasonable price that are actually functional for a family (and don't look like a turd, heh).

Were it up to me, EVs would simply come alongside ICE as an additional, and in many cases, welcome, option. Speaking to your point, this would also slow adoption to a rate that allows the required infrastructure adjustments to be considered and made, you know, in a common sense fashion. Doesn't look like we are headed that way, but then this also doesn't mean EVs are the devil's work.

Get with the times......sounds pretty reasonable too me

[Revalot]

BlaqWhole, I'm sure some things your saying is very true as well as others are saying also, but in 10 years no one will remember the LT4 platform? LOL !!! I only posted what's going on to encourage some to hold on to your ZL1's or V8's no more no less. You do know they still make carburetors right ? Aftermarket wise, history lesson the V8 will never be forgotten, unless people like some here thinks it's irrelevant, the chevy 350 was a game changer, the 454 was a game changer, the plaid S is a major game changer for sure, the ZR1 LS9, hell the LS platform period, I think we will be able to get LS blocks, and LT blocks for years, since a sleeve block cannot put out emissions just add race parts and run it. But Has a 1970 454 chevelle been forgotten ? Or 1969 RS SS the 1st ZL1 camaro ? Roadrunner? The Judge GTO ? Those cars are more valuable today, and so will any ICE from the factory with big horsepower, or you can sale me your ZL1 for a dollar since it won't be worth anything, I'm 51 and I have turned wrenches with my teenage sons and daughter's to remind them of the value of learning to do your on work, when I asked my 16 year old son last week, do you want to go to high school in one of the toyota's or the ZL1/1LE or the LS chevelle ? Guess what he said the chevelle ! There's nothing wrong with change, just dont dismiss how we got here. And toyota , kawasaki , volkswagen and some other's are working on hydrogen powered motors so I wouldn't bet that the electric war will win just yet.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by clg82

Umm what? Go back to sleep grandpa, the argument is that the infrastructure isn't here (California) or anywhere for that matter within the United States. There won't be 10 years from now, there won't be 20 years from now. The question we're all asking is why make the push and start canceling gas powered engines when (like you said) it's not happening next Thursday. Unless you like that cancel culture type thing....than you may be younger than 80......

Ok sonny boy. Then we're all screwed I guess. Because things is changing whether you like it or not. All your posturing and huffing and puffing and kicking and screaming won't matter one bit. Heck you can hold your breath, close your eyes, plug your ears and stomp around the room and in 10 years you'll be driving an EV. Smarter and more influential people than you have tried to stop whats coming and it's still coming like a freight train. Look at the topic of this post. Look at how the Camaro is a gonner. Look at how even Dodge is starting to switch over. You can't fight change bro.

Originally Posted by MartinLe

Hey, give Gramps a break - what do you expect out or those "baa, baa" people? Oops, sorry I think I'm confused. Do those big birds that stick their head in the sand go, "baa, baa"?

Imagine being soo brainwashed that you think everyone who disagrees with you is "baa baa people".

I'm just saying things for what they are. If that makes me a sheep then so what. All the name calling and anger and debating in the world ain't gonna change a thing. EVs are the future.

[Revalot]

BlaqWhole ! I would hangout with you anyday, with that cool list of rides, your ok with me. I'm thinking about a ZH2 or H2 myself, I have a ZX14R and had a hayabusa for years modded to the moon, GSXR 1100, 1000 so on and so on. Enjoy what ever we have, I just love a big nasty motor, and race gas smells like women perfumes to me, I cant get enough.

[Evansa22]

The EV prices at this time are also somewhat deceiving as I believe there are considerable tax incentives when buying them. They may be somewhat affordable for some but when that runs out look for a nice price bump. We'll see if these companies deliver a reasonable priced ev without the tax breaks that most people can afford. More reasonable economical ev cars are what will change the masses more than crazy performance numbers as 90% of the public probably don't care about performance. Guess we'll find out by 2035 if we make it there

[dbs1]

I'm good with progress but not thrilled with big brother forcing it on us via gas prices, govt requirements or progressives telling us it needs to happen NOW.

[ohsmily]

Originally Posted by clg82

Umm what? Go back to sleep grandpa, the argument is that the infrastructure isn't here (California) or anywhere for that matter within the United States. There won't be 10 years from now, there won't be 20 years from now. The question we're all asking is why make the push and start canceling gas powered engines when (like you said) it's not happening next Thursday. Unless you like that cancel culture type thing....than you may be younger than 80......

I agree! Feeling the pull of a stallion at the reins can't be replaced by some stupid horseless carriage! There's no infrastructure for fueling stations for petrol. Hay is everywhere! Nothing can replace the smell of the sweat off the horse and the sound of their galloping pulling a coach at high speed from town to town with the essence of the earth and air in your face as you race through the countryside! These horseless carriages are ridiculous and won't be viable. People would be fighting to fuel up if you made everyone use these things! Buncha futuristic 'morans'.

[ohsmily]

Originally Posted by MartinLe

Hey, give Gramps a break - what do you expect out or those "baa, baa" people? Oops, sorry I think I'm confused. Do those big birds that stick their head in the sand go, "baa, baa"?

No birds stick their heads in the sand. You've bought into a stupid and ignorant myth/idiom along with your perception of technology and society. Not surprising given the poor grammar and syntax of your post. Are you in middle school?

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by arpad_m

Not sure why you're messing with Blaq, his posts have been pretty reasonable. Acccusing him of cancel culture bs is completely uncalled for, too. I'm as unhappy with this forced PC EV push as you are, but I always say let's have a discussion and consider each other's points.

Thanks man. And I get it. It's a touchy subject. For a lot of people cars are an important aspect of their childhood and adulthood. The thought of something cherished being just swept away is terrifying. But none of that changes the fact that technology constantly moves on. There is no stopping it. And 80 years from now there will be some newer tech and people alive now will be mad because ICEVs will then be on the edge of extinction. But technology will move on again and again. I mean, look at where TVs, internet, home appliances, home security systems, etc are all at now vs even 10 years ago. How many people had indoor cameras and doorbell cams and could unlock their car from across the country with an app on their cellphone or any of our modern conveniences. You can grocery shop and never leave your couch. LOL!! All because technology keeps moving us forward.

I'm saying that maybe this is all scary now. But I think once we all have our fair amount of time in the EVs we won't be looking back.

Just think about owning a street legal, fully warrantied, 4 door car that can walk a 1000 RWHP GT500 easily. I mean, that kind of acceleration...!!

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Revalot

BlaqWhole ! I would hangout with you anyday, with that cool list of rides, your ok with me. I'm thinking about a ZH2 or H2 myself, I have a ZX14R and had a hayabusa for years modded to the moon, GSXR 1100, 1000 so on and so on. Enjoy what ever we have, I just love a big nasty motor, and race gas smells like women perfumes to me, I cant get enough.

Thanks for the compliments. Yea the H2-SX is a really nice ride. You won't be disappointed if you go with the Z-H2 or the regular H2. All H2 variants are super rare and easily modifiable. Keep me posted if you get one.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by ohsmily

I agree! Feeling the pull of a stallion at the reins can't be replaced by some stupid horseless carriage! There's no infrastructure for fueling stations for petrol. Hay is everywhere! Nothing can replace the smell of the sweat off the horse and the sound of their galloping pulling a coach at high speed from town to town with the essence of the earth and air in your face as you race through the countryside! These horseless carriages are ridiculous and won't be viable. People would be fighting to fuel up if you made everyone use these things! Buncha futuristic 'morans'.

Exactly my point. Since the beginning of time Humans have invented more and more ways of going farther, faster, easier. Now all of a sudden people think that's gonna stop? LOL!! We're heading towards exciting times. And I think this is gonna usher in a new age of travel. I'm glad I'm alive to see it and enjoy it!!

[MightyBobo]

The name-calling from the luddites in here is pretty pathetic. Gramps? "Baa-baa" people?

What it is with people like that, that feel as if mocking people (without even knowing who the f-ck they are mocking) is the best way to convey your point? Keyboard commandos.