[schecter7]

Hi folks,

I used to visit Camaro5 regularly (had '10 SS, '13 SS 1LE). Then moved on to a '12 C6 Z06. They all had MT. My mileage dropped pretty much to zero once the pandemic started. So I sold the Z with a heavy heart last year. I also didn't follow new Camaros and Corvettes meantime. Now I started thinking about getting one within few months once this WFH BS goes away.

Some shocking details I have recently gathered (I could be wrong though)

1. There is no MT C8

2. Camaro swapped position with boatish Challenger in popularity (which used to be a distant 3rd during those Gen5 days). I'm pretty sure Gen 6 are awesome as long as they are better than Gen5. So what's the deal there?

So what are the MT guys picking these days? Can it still run deep?!

[m6-lt1]

I have an M6 6th gen. I love the car but with the shift to ev’s coming up I kinda wish I had bought a C6z. Performance wise, unless you buy a 6th gen Zl1, you are going backwards getting an SS/SS 1le. That being said the 6th gen is a much newer better car than a c6z at being a car and you aren’t giving up that much performance. You can’t go wrong with either cars. Other cars I’d consider are the c7 grand sport and c7 z06. Personally I like the c6 z06 over the c7 z06.

[LT1ornothing]

Originally Posted by schecter7

Hi folks,

I used to visit Camaro5 regularly (had '10 SS, '13 SS 1LE). Then moved on to a '12 C6 Z06. They all had MT. My mileage dropped pretty much to zero once the pandemic started. So I sold the Z with a heavy heart last year. I also didn't follow new Camaros and Corvettes meantime. Now I started thinking about getting one within few months once this WFH BS goes away.

Some shocking details I have recently gathered (I could be wrong though)

1. There is no MT C8

2. Camaro swapped position with boatish Challenger in popularity (which used to be a distant 3rd during those Gen5 days). I'm pretty sure Gen 6 are awesome as long as they are better than Gen5. So what's the deal there?

So what are the MT guys picking these days? Can it still run deep?!

So you been in a bomb shelter with no outside connection since the pandemic started "Blast From The Past" style?

[TXCSSU]

Originally Posted by schecter7

Hi folks,

I used to visit Camaro5 regularly (had '10 SS, '13 SS 1LE). Then moved on to a '12 C6 Z06. They all had MT. My mileage dropped pretty much to zero once the pandemic started. So I sold the Z with a heavy heart last year. I also didn't follow new Camaros and Corvettes meantime. Now I started thinking about getting one within few months once this WFH BS goes away.

Some shocking details I have recently gathered (I could be wrong though)

1. There is no MT C8

2. Camaro swapped position with boatish Challenger in popularity (which used to be a distant 3rd during those Gen5 days). I'm pretty sure Gen 6 are awesome as long as they are better than Gen5. So what's the deal there?

So what are the MT guys picking these days? Can it still run deep?!

All I needed to know when I ordered my ZL1 is that the C8's waiting list is over a year long, in which the Z06 will be available for order and neither can be had with a manual. The Z06 5.5 is good for 670 HP but "only" 460 TQ, which is not necessarily anything to sneeze at, given that the Corvette puts the power down better than its front engine predecessor.

The Dodge/Ford are more popular and are thus priced that way. I'm told that Ford and Dodge are also trying to keep things within MSRP, but I saw a GT500 going for nearly $80K the way I had it built (and I couldn't add a manual). I believe the Hellcat/redeye/etc. etc. are selling for more, which is vexing as they only excel at one performance metric, going fast in a straight line (if you have a long enough straight-away). It's safe to say that they're being bought by people that want the high HP bragging rights, but also need something with room. I found it more logical to go with the ZL1, and with the $30K+ savings just buy myself a daily driver, that way when (not if) gas prices go crazy, I'm not stuck with just a "one trick pony".

There is a mix on whether to go 1LE or not. I decided not to as I'd rather have a GT than a track monster. But, the luxury of having a 2nd daily is that I could've gone with the 1LE and not worried about a stiff suspension.


Oh and still no backseat and poor outward visibility for the Camaro.

[Jaxcam02]

Originally Posted by schecter7

1. There is no MT C8
Nope, automatic only

2. Camaro swapped position with boatish Challenger in popularity (which used to be a distant 3rd during those Gen5 days). I'm pretty sure Gen 6 are awesome as long as they are better than Gen5. So what's the deal there?
6th gen camaro is an amazing platform, much better car than challenger and gen 5, Hellcat is better in straight line than zl1 (depending on driver somewhat). As far as sales go, GM doesn't even attempt to market the camaro. Dodge and Ford actually do and it reflects in the sales to the general public. I still get questions sometimes asking what kind of car I drive because they've never seen one, even on tv or internet ads.

So what are the MT guys picking these days? Can it still run deep?!
I've been a m6 guy my entire life. Starting with LS1s and owning two 6th gens. I have never experienced anything so well put together than my zl1. The transmission is very smooth and the handling is fantastic and ride comfortable with the magnaride. I've never driven a ZLE though.

When I was looking for newer performance cars, I almost went with a c7 but the camaro was just that good.

[Laubin69]

"unless you buy a 6th gen Zl1, you are going backwards getting an SS/SS 1le"---what data are you using to support this statement- Gen 6 went down in weight and up in power how is this going backwards?

[TXCSSU]

Originally Posted by Laubin69

"unless you buy a 6th gen Zl1, you are going backwards getting an SS/SS 1le"---what data are you using to support this statement- Gen 6 went down in weight and up in power how is this going backwards?

Hopefully he means in regards to a C6 ZR1, in which case I would agree. Only problem I have is that you're inheriting whatever issues that previous owner had with the C6.

[m6-lt1]

Originally Posted by Laubin69

"unless you buy a 6th gen Zl1, you are going backwards getting an SS/SS 1le"---what data are you using to support this statement- Gen 6 went down in weight and up in power how is this going backwards?

Compared to his previous c6 z06 I tend to believe it’s going backwards performance wise. In a straight line the c6 z06 stock for stock/mod for mod is 100% faster. The ls7 just pulls that much better up top plus the vette I believe has overall less drag. Around turns I agree that an SS 1le puts power down way better but I think the c6 z06 would edge it out around most tracks. It’s lighter and pulls harder and is no slouch in the corners just like the 1le. Research on this forum is what makes me believe this plus the fact it’s faster in a straight line and lighter. That link below isn’t the only one I’ve found where previous owners tend to believe the c6z06 is a more capable car.

https://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=468835

I’m not hating on the SS 1le. With the way things are priced it’s probably my next 6th gen because I’m not paying current used zl1 prices right now. Also I’ll 100% admit that a novice/intermediate driver will be quicker around a track in the 1le. But a pro will be able to get the most out of the c6z. I said this in my first post and I’ll say it again, the 6th gen SS/SS 1le is a better/more useful car than a c6z. Both are badass and you can’t go wrong.

[MightyBobo]

Originally Posted by m6-lt1

I have an M6 6th gen. I love the car but with the shift to ev’s coming up I kinda wish I had bought a C6z. Performance wise, unless you buy a 6th gen Zl1, you are going backwards getting an SS/SS 1le. That being said the 6th gen is a much newer better car than a c6z at being a car and you aren’t giving up that much performance. You can’t go wrong with either cars. Other cars I’d consider are the c7 grand sport and c7 z06. Personally I like the c6 z06 over the c7 z06.

I've had a C5 Z06, and regularly drove a C6 Z06, both M6. I've also driven a C7 GS.

I preferred my C5 Z06 TBH over the C6 Z06 - felt more raw, to be frank. The C7 GS was a CLEAR improvement over the C6 and rendered that car completely obsolete. All the C6 Z06 had on the C5 mostly (other than a few horsies) was a SLIGHLTY better interior...which brings up my next point...

...saying the SS/1LE is a step backwards from the C6 Z06 is, in my humble opinion, rubbish. That's assuming you're only looking for raw power and that fractional improvement on handling, and nothing more. The C7 GS on the other hand is a phenomenal car that I'd take over a C6 Z06 any day, but the prices are just ridiculous at the moment.

You also aren't factoring in the "practicality" factor. I could have easily walked in and gotten a C8 right now, but I have financial principles that limit myself from paying more than MSRP lol. The SS 1LE is a far more "practical" sports car over the Corvette, and that's just the truth. As a STREET CAR doing relatively regular street car things, it's going to win pretty much every time, while still giving out 95% of what the Corvette can without the exorbitant price tag.

Do I want a C8? Hell yeah I do. But by the time prices come back down to earth, there'll probably be something even better I'll want lol. In the meantime, I'll cruise in comfort with the vast majority of the performance, in my Camaro.

[m6-lt1]

Originally Posted by MightyBobo

You also aren't factoring in the "practicality" factor. I could have easily walked in and gotten a C8 right now, but I have financial principles that limit myself from paying more than MSRP lol. The SS 1LE is a far more "practical" sports car over the Corvette, and that's just the truth. As a STREET CAR doing relatively regular street car things, it's going to win pretty much every time, while still giving out 95% of what the Corvette can without the exorbitant price tag.

Do I want a C8? Hell yeah I do. But by the time prices come back down to earth, there'll probably be something even better I'll want lol. In the meantime, I'll cruise in comfort with the vast majority of the performance, in my Camaro.

I did factor it in. That’s what my fourth sentence meant. That’s actually WHY I choose the 6th gen over a c5/c6 z06. Thank you for your feedback comparing the two z’s and letting us know the c6z is faster and marginally handles better than the 6th gen. That’s what I saw most owners say when doing my research. I’ll add though that the c6 is definitely a rawer car than a 6th gen Camaro if the op cars about that at all. At this stage in my life I like the refined 6th gen more (even though I wish I could have a c6z)

Looks like based on your feedback I’ll have to give the c7 grand sport a harder look IF prices come back down to earth. My main gripe with it is I already have an LT1 powered car and I like trying out different power trains. How much harder did you feel the c7 grand sport pulled over your 1le?

[MightyBobo]

Originally Posted by m6-lt1

I did factor it in. That’s what my fourth sentence meant. That’s actually WHY I choose the 6th gen over a c5/c6 z06. Thank you for your feedback comparing the two z’s and letting us know the c6z is faster and marginally handles better than the 6th gen. That’s what I saw most owners say when doing my research. I’ll add though that the c6 is definitely a rawer car than a 6th gen Camaro if the op cars about that at all. At this stage in my life I like the refined 6th gen more (even though I wish I could have a c6z)

Looks like based on your feedback I’ll have to give the c7 grand sport a harder look IF prices come back down to earth. My main gripe with it is I already have an LT1 powered car and I like trying out different power trains. How much harder did you feel the c7 grand sport pulled over your 1le?

Ah, well I apologize if I misunderstood.

Yes, definitely check out the C7 GS, IMHO. The SS 1LE of the Corvette world in essence.

I don't have my 1LE yet, so not a ton of experience there to answer your question yet. I CAN tell you, that compared to my Corvette Z06, the Camaro feels tight and fantastic. It may be 7ish years since I've owned it, but I remember it very well, and when I took a 1SS 1LE out for a test drive the first thing I thought was "damn, this just feels like a far more refined version of my old car...". I'm sure it'll pull slightly less than the C7 GS, but a barely perceptible amount...