[Mark R]

Originally Posted by AMOR

Did anyone read news about GM warning dealers not to do markups on the new Z06? Or otherwise they will loose allocations on those cars. This makes sense to me, hopefully there is some action behind words. I was considering C8 before getting a ZLE at the end of 2021. I just could not justify the crazy markups and crossed it out of my options list.

The problem with a policy of no dealer markups, is that the cars will still be distributed to friends and family, and through other back-channel methods, so they can sell them after for the full market value, and make a real killing.

Limited editions suck for most everyone but the dealers. Chevrolet needs to put out a press release stating that they will attempt to fill all demands for the ZO6, and then go ahead and make all they can.

[zxspeedspec]

Originally Posted by Mark R

The problem with a policy of no dealer markups, is that the cars will still be distributed to friends and family, and through other back-channel methods, so they can sell them after for the full market value, and make a real killing.

Limited editions suck for most everyone but the dealers. Chevrolet needs to put out a press release stating that they will attempt to fill all demands for the ZO6, and then go ahead and make all they can.

Or just wait for year 3-4 and get one for below MSRP. It's a Z06, not a ZR1. You only pay ridiculous amounts if you want the first 2 years.

[Mark R]

Originally Posted by zxspeedspec

Or just wait for year 3-4 and get one for below MSRP. It's a Z06, not a ZR1. You only pay ridiculous amounts if you want the first 2 years.

I don't think the demand for the Z06 will ever dry up, considering GM's push for all electric vehicles. The deliberate extinction of ICE cars is always looming over everyone's heads now. I believe the frenzy for final editions of all makes and models will reach higher and higher levels as the electric Edsels are jammed down our throats.

[L78toLT1]

Originally Posted by Mark R

I don't think the demand for the Z06 will ever dry up, considering GM's push for all electric vehicles. The deliberate extinction of ICE cars is always looming over everyone's heads now. I believe the frenzy for final editions of all makes and models will reach higher and higher levels as the electric Edsels are jammed down our throats.

I agree. IMO there will never be a cheap Z06. It's a completely different situation than when the C7 Z06 debuted

[Dabjbr]

Originally Posted by Mark R

I don't think the demand for the Z06 will ever dry up, considering GM's push for all electric vehicles. The deliberate extinction of ICE cars is always looming over everyone's heads now. I believe the frenzy for final editions of all makes and models will reach higher and higher levels as the electric Edsels are jammed down our throats.

I think you’re right. In fact, I have a deposit on the Emira. I hope to get it at MSRP and before the craziness commences. I guarantee they’ll add 20k+ ADM for anyone not holding deposit. And it may never drop in price being their last ICE model.

[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by Dabjbr

I think you’re right. In fact, I have a deposit on the Emira. I hope to get it at MSRP and before the craziness commences. I guarantee they’ll add 20k+ ADM for anyone not holding deposit. And it may never drop in price being their last ICE model.

Well, it's not like we didn't know this was coming. It sure is sad to see the events unfold quicker due to these unfortunate shortages.

[wakespeak]

^^ Well spent on the Emira. ICE will be around for 20 more years, perhaps with higher fuel prices. Probably longer for specialty use. Porsche has zero carbon footprint synthetic gasoline being produced in Brazil for this purpose.

My commuter will be electric. Fast, silent, low "fuel" costs, no maintenance beside tires and brakes, etc. Chevy is releasing the EV Silverado work truck next year at $39,900. 0-60 for RST version is 4.5s.

[ddivinia]

Can’t wait to see the details if it does become reality.

D.

[zxspeedspec]

Originally Posted by Mark R

I don't think the demand for the Z06 will ever dry up, considering GM's push for all electric vehicles. The deliberate extinction of ICE cars is always looming over everyone's heads now. I believe the frenzy for final editions of all makes and models will reach higher and higher levels as the electric Edsels are jammed down our throats.

That's what everyone said when the C7 Z06 was about to release. Guess what? Once the ZR1 came out dealers couldn't get Z06's off of their lots fast enough. Hell, even before the ZR1 was announced Z06s were going for below MSRP and closer to invoice.

No one's talking about some final edition or ZR1 or whatever sendoff GM may give the C8. We're talking about a base Z06 which has NEVER been limited. GM builds as many Z06 as they get orders/forecasts for orders for. If you want one and you have money, you can always get one under MSRP after the first few years when the idiots who "have to have it first" get theirs.

Plus even for the final edition there's not much room for artificial growth. The C7 ZR1 was 145k-150k fully spec'd out. Assuming the C8 starts closer to 155k and can be spec'd out to 170k, there's not much room for dealer markup. Anything close to 200k and you can get a new Huracan. Unless someone's buying it to shove it in a glass box, no one's paying 185k for a C8 to drive no matter what cool edition vs 15k more for a Huracan they can also drive and beat on.

[AMOR]

Originally Posted by zxspeedspec

That's what everyone said when the C7 Z06 was about to release. Guess what? Once the ZR1 came out dealers couldn't get Z06's off of their lots fast enough. Hell, even before the ZR1 was announced Z06s were going for below MSRP and closer to invoice.

No one's talking about some final edition or ZR1 or whatever sendoff GM may give the C8. We're talking about a base Z06 which has NEVER been limited. GM builds as many Z06 as they get orders/forecasts for orders for. If you want one and you have money, you can always get one under MSRP after the first few years when the idiots who "have to have it first" get theirs.

Plus even for the final edition there's not much room for artificial growth. The C7 ZR1 was 145k-150k fully spec'd out. Assuming the C8 starts closer to 155k and can be spec'd out to 170k, there's not much room for dealer markup. Anything close to 200k and you can get a new Huracan. Unless someone's buying it to shove it in a glass box, no one's paying 185k for a C8 to drive no matter what cool edition vs 15k more for a Huracan they can also drive and beat on.

What you’re saying is perhaps true for pre-covid. But not for now, when dealers felt the benefits of selling 3x less cars and making same money or more than before. Good luck trying to get a Z06 (even base) for msrp. Even if you preorder at msrp once the car is built and delivered to showroom they will do markup and if you refuse - they will offer it to next in line who’s willing to pay. See what’s going on with regular C8 and it still isn’t over. Also FYI Lamborghini huracan costs $250K used and $300K plus new.

[zxspeedspec]

Originally Posted by AMOR

What you’re saying is perhaps true for pre-covid. But not for now, when dealers felt the benefits of selling 3x less cars and making same money or more than before. Good luck trying to get a Z06 (even base) for msrp. Even if you preorder at msrp once the car is built and delivered to showroom they will do markup and if you refuse - they will offer it to next in line who’s willing to pay. See what’s going on with regular C8 and it still isn’t over. Also FYI Lamborghini huracan costs $250K used and $300K plus new.

COVID is temporary. The C8 will outlive this temporary blip. Huracans will go back to $200k and C8s will be mass market produced as soon as shortages are gone.

[AMOR]

Well that will take another 2-3 years. We’re already 2 years into having covid fun. Also dealers learned a few lessons out of all this as I’ve written earlier. So it’s never going to be as before, when they had to chase each customer to earn business and lots were full of cars. Forget about it.

[PROMETHEUS]

Originally Posted by AMOR

What you’re saying is perhaps true for pre-covid. But not for now, when dealers felt the benefits of selling 3x less cars and making same money or more than before. Good luck trying to get a Z06 (even base) for msrp. Even if you preorder at msrp once the car is built and delivered to showroom they will do markup and if you refuse - they will offer it to next in line who’s willing to pay. See what’s going on with regular C8 and it still isn’t over. Also FYI Lamborghini huracan costs $250K used and $300K plus new.

Although your comment is referencing the Z06. I will tell you there are plenty of Chevy dealers selling the C8 Base/Z51 at MSRP. I suspect those same dealers will sell the Z06 at MSRP.

[zxspeedspec]

Originally Posted by AMOR

Well that will take another 2-3 years. We’re already 2 years into having covid fun. Also dealers learned a few lessons out of all this as I’ve written earlier. So it’s never going to be as before, when they had to chase each customer to earn business and lots were full of cars. Forget about it.

Supply vs demand. Right now there's no supply. Once the COVID fun is over, supply will go back to normal. It doesn't matter what tricks the dealers have learned when there's more demand than supply, they'll go back to chasing customers trying to move Z06s.