[cmitchell17]

Originally Posted by Nilly Welson

It bogs down when your rear wheels start to lose traction. Its modulating your throttle to eliminate the wheel spin.

The problem is its doing it too much, its pulling too much torque when it doesn't need too and its pulling too much torque for too long before returning torque to the tires.

I can't really remember how mine was stock, but I still feel like it wasn't optimal.

If we could tune it and make it work with modifications and increased power, then there is no way a human could beat it in both acceleration and consistency.

If you go and try the same thing but don't use launch control from a dead stop and have traction control engaged, you can feel the difference in how the normal traction control cuts power then returns it faster.

[FlukeSS]

Originally Posted by cmitchell17

The problem is its doing it too much, its pulling too much torque when it doesn't need too and its pulling too much torque for too long before returning torque to the tires.

I can't really remember how mine was stock, but I still feel like it wasn't optimal.

If we could tune it and make it work with modifications and increased power, then there is no way a human could beat it in both acceleration and consistency.

If you go and try the same thing but don't use launch control from a dead stop and have traction control engaged, you can feel the difference in how the normal traction control cuts power then returns it faster.

Bad tires can do that.

IF you are running it like that you shouldn't be using ANY TYPE of all season. I do not care what people say or claim about any brand name.

And if you are using summer tires and run 275's these cars will bog down at the 60mph shift point where TC kicks in. (I was stock then)

DO you have the 1LE package or is a standard LT1/SS non 1LE?

Tires matter a lot. I had the 275's myself and after almost wiping it at 60mph because of the TC and bog down I immediately spent $2000 on new wheels and tires. Running 305/30R20 rear Eagle F1 SC3's. Pulling 0-60 in 3.8-3.9 on a good day and I have mods as well.

Now I don't have that issue at all any more.

That said maybe it just does need a retune like you said?

[craigss50]

Originally Posted by FlukeSS

Bad tires can do that.

IF you are running it like that you shouldn't be using ANY TYPE of all season. I do not care what people say or claim about any brand name.

And if you are using summer tires and run 275's these cars will bog down at the 60mph shift point where TC kicks in. (I was stock then)

DO you have the 1LE package or is a standard LT1/SS non 1LE?

Tires matter a lot. I had the 275's myself and after almost wiping it at 60mph because of the TC and bog down I immediately spent $2000 on new wheels and tires. Running 305/30R20 rear Eagle F1 SC3's. Pulling 0-60 in 3.8-3.9 on a good day and I have mods as well.

Now I don't have that issue at all any more.

That said maybe it just does need a retune like you said?

I have newish Michelin SP4 OEM size tires so pretty good traction as far as tires go and like I said in previous post it bogged before any tire spin.

[FlukeSS]

Originally Posted by craigss50

I have newish Michelin SP4 OEM size tires so pretty good traction as far as tires go and like I said in previous post it bogged before any tire spin.

Do you have the 1LE package?

OEM tires can be different sizes depending on rather you have the 1LE package or not.

OEM without 1LE is 275 wide rears on the SS (not sufficient for the amount of power the car has even stock and especially bad if not using summer tires.)

LT1's cannot get the 1LE package so that goes without saying.

Also the tires you will not always hear slip when that bog down occurs.

Same thing happened to me when I was racing a Mercedes when I was on stock 275's with All Seasons. At 58-62mph shift point. No slip, just saw the TC light come on and then the car bucked hard as all the power got dumped then the car kicked hard forward again as power was restored.

Those Michelins I believe are the Pilot Sport 4's is that correct?

Are those the summer tires or the all seasons?

[craigss50]

Not a 1LE. It's a 2 SS. If I had it to do over I would have gotten wider tires.

[FlukeSS]

Originally Posted by craigss50

Not a 1LE. It's a 2 SS. If I had it to do over I would have gotten wider tires.

You can still do that.

My SS is a non 1LE as well.

I put 11x20 ET43 rear wheels and 10x20 ET20 front wheels

I am running 275/30R20 but you can use 285/30R20 same as the 1LE SS and non 1LE ZL1 on the front and 305/30R20 on the rear (no rubbing issues unless you go above 305 on the rears)

You should be able to do that, then make absolutely sure you are using 305/30R20 Summer tires. You will not be able to use 35 aspect ratio or 315+ tires on this setup without moving the wiring harness on the driver side rear.

I think you'll notice a huge difference in traction.

Like I said before when I had that bog down at 60mph I immediately switched wheels and tires and don't have the bog down issue any more.
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This is what I went by when I upgraded my wheels/tires



Link to the above page: https://www.wheel-size.com/size/chevrolet/camaro/

[craigss50]

Originally Posted by FlukeSS

You can still do that.

My SS is a non 1LE as well.

I put 11x20 ET43 rear wheels and 10x20 ET20 front wheels

I am running 275/30R20 but you can use 285/30R20 same as the 1LE SS and non 1LE ZL1 on the front and 305/30R20 on the rear (no rubbing issues unless you go above 305 on the rears)

You should be able to do that, then make absolutely sure you are using 305/30R20 Summer tires. You will not be able to use 35 aspect ratio or 315+ tires on this setup without moving the wiring harness on the driver side rear.

I think you'll notice a huge difference in traction.

Like I said before when I had that bog down at 60mph I immediately switched wheels and tires and don't have the bog down issue any more.
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This is what I went by when I upgraded my wheels/tires

Thanks but the Michelin's were quite expensive, specially the rears. For my occasional fun runs I can't justify that expense again. If I ever need new rears I will upgrade to the 305's. Oh well, live and learn.

[FlukeSS]

Originally Posted by craigss50

Thanks but the Michelin's were quite expensive, specially the rears. For my occasional fun runs I can't justify that expense again. If I ever need new rears I will upgrade to the 305's. Oh well, live and learn.

I know the feeling. I couldn't justify the 1LE cost until after I bought my car lol.

Same boat, same moat.

[ALMN]

Originally Posted by FlukeSS

Do you have the 1LE package?

OEM tires can be different sizes depending on rather you have the 1LE package or not.

OEM without 1LE is 275 wide rears on the SS (not sufficient for the amount of power the car has even stock and especially bad if not using summer tires.)

LT1's cannot get the 1LE package so that goes without saying.

Also the tires you will not always hear slip when that bog down occurs.

Same thing happened to me when I was racing a Mercedes when I was on stock 275's with All Seasons. At 58-62mph shift point. No slip, just saw the TC light come on and then the car bucked hard as all the power got dumped then the car kicked hard forward again as power was restored.

Those Michelins I believe are the Pilot Sport 4's is that correct?

Are those the summer tires or the all seasons?

275s should be sufficient for the ss, i mean a hellcat with 707 hp comes with 275s in the back right 😄

[FlukeSS]

Originally Posted by ALMN

275s should be sufficient for the ss, i mean a hellcat with 707 hp comes with 275s in the back right ��

lol I assume you are being sarcastic right?

But that is also why the SS/LT1's beat them from a dig

[ALMN]

Originally Posted by FlukeSS

lol I assume you are being sarcastic right?

But that is also why the SS/LT1's beat them from a dig

Yeah i never understand the logic behind Dodge putting those tires on the Hellcat, i think the widebody comes with 305’s though.

[SSUNDVL]

Are you doing this in tour mode or sport or track mode?

I think best times come from tour mode with all nannies off but would be interesting to see the 3 in same temp and conditions.

[cmitchell17]

Tire diameter matters a whole lot more than width when it comes to straight traction, width matters with lateral traction.

[craigss50]

Originally Posted by SSUNDVL

Are you doing this in tour mode or sport or track mode?

I think best times come from tour mode with all nannies off but would be interesting to see the 3 in same temp and conditions.

Sport mode