[FlukeSS]

Originally Posted by arpad_m

...says the man with a Camaro, a Challenger and a Mustang in his stable

Some people make no compromises.

Hmmm... Decisions decisions: "Wife/GF or Camaro"

A dollar down and a dollar when you catch me!

[super_sxxy322]

Great choice on the CX5! I've been working for a Mazda dealer for about a year and half now and have had a few CX5 demos! Honestly never would have considered one before being given one to drive and I recommend Mazda's to everyone now! My commute is an hour+ from country roads to metro and they've been great cars for me! I've also got a 5yo & 7yo taking up the back seats and no complaints from them Good luck with it!!

[UnknownJinX]

The newer Mazda cars are visually appealing and very reliable for sure, though I have to say that the latter part mainly comes from the fact that a lot of their powertrain tech hasn't seen major updates.

It's definitely a hellvu a lot better than any Nissan, though. IMO Nissan is pretty much falling apart as a company, just like their CVT always does, LOL.

Though I am curious: why didn't you consider a hybrid SUV from Toyota? I think Mazda's got the looks but the hybrid drivetrain is nice in city. If you live in more rural areas then the hybrid is a bit pointless.

[Nilly Welson]

Originally Posted by Blobby

It’s a sad day in some respects, but it’ll end up being for the better. My wife traded her Camaro for a dark blue 2021 CX-5 Touring. We needed a family car and she really couldn’t stand such a low sitting car any longer. 30k was the budget cap, and it wound up being between a Nissan Rogue and the CX-5. Reliability aside, she chose the CX-5’s sportiness over the Rogue’s bigger size and tech filled cabin. I think the Camaro helped give her a bit of a “driving connoisseur” taste in cars. I’ll still poke around the forum from time to time but will probably be much less active.

Side note- got to sit in a C8 (regular removable roof) at a dealer. It wasn’t comfortable. I’m a hair under 6’-2” with a 30” inseam, and my head stuck above the windshield a solid 2”. It sure felt nice blipping the throttle tho.

WTF is a CX5?

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Nilly Welson

WTF is a CX5?

It's a compact SUV from Mazda. It is basically the Ford Escape. They are generally priced well, very well optioned, plenty of room, and come with a very good warranty. I considered a C-SUV before deciding on my truck.

[Allez]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

It's a compact SUV from Mazda. It is basically the Ford Escape. They are generally priced well, very well optioned, plenty of room, and come with a very good warranty. I considered a C-SUV before deciding on my truck.

Please don't say it's a Ford Escape . . . it really isn't lol.

[Blobby]

Originally Posted by UnknownJinX

The newer Mazda cars are visually appealing and very reliable for sure, though I have to say that the latter part mainly comes from the fact that a lot of their powertrain tech hasn't seen major updates.

It's definitely a hellvu a lot better than any Nissan, though. IMO Nissan is pretty much falling apart as a company, just like their CVT always does, LOL.

Though I am curious: why didn't you consider a hybrid SUV from Toyota? I think Mazda's got the looks but the hybrid drivetrain is nice in city. If you live in more rural areas then the hybrid is a bit pointless.

A Toyota would have been several grand more, and she felt more at home in the Mazda. Plus it has the lifetime powertrain from that dealer.
I agree on the Nissan CVT, but not familiar with the problems as a company. Only reason it made the list was cause of that warranty.


Don’t know how to insert a second quote on mobile, but to the Escape comparison:
I think the CX5 is definitely similar size in the passenger and cargo areas, but it seems to be a bigger vehicle. I find it tough to assign direct competitors to the CX5 cause of that. Space wise, it’s an Escape competitor, but I definitely wouldn’t tell someone it’s Mazda’s version of the escape. Maybe closer to a Bronco sport because that’s just a more hip escape.

Edit: Hybrid wasn’t a factor. Would have chosen it if it was an option on the cx5 and in our price range, but definitely wasn’t high on the “need” list. We do maybe 60% interstate driving, so it wouldn’t be a hugely massive advantage.

[UnknownJinX]

Originally Posted by Allez

Please don't say it's a Ford Escape . . . it really isn't lol.

Funnily enough, that could actually have been true more than a decade ago, since Ford was the major stockholder of Mazda at the time. That's why you see a lot of people say that Ford owned Mazda, which isn't technically true, but it's not entirely wrong, either. Ford's idea at the time is to let Mazda handle the smaller I4 engines while they focus on bigger V6 and Modular engines.

The 2.3 MZR engine in my 05 Mazda3 winter car, for example, is the same as the Duratec 2.3 Ford used in some of their cars, including the Ranger. Some of the modern Ecoboost I4 engines still have elements of MZR in them. I believe the 2.0T Ecoboost in Focus ST is an evolution of the 2.3T MZR engine in Mazdaspeed3.

On the other hand, some Mazda parts still have FoMoCo logos on them to this day, and Forscan works in Mazda cars along with Ford and Lincoln, so Mazda still kept some bits from the Ford-Mazda era.

Originally Posted by Blobby

A Toyota would have been several grand more, and she felt more at home in the Mazda. Plus it has the lifetime powertrain from that dealer.
I agree on the Nissan CVT, but not familiar with the problems as a company. Only reason it made the list was cause of that warranty.


Don’t know how to insert a second quote on mobile, but to the Escape comparison:
I think the CX5 is definitely similar size in the passenger and cargo areas, but it seems to be a bigger vehicle. I find it tough to assign direct competitors to the CX5 cause of that. Space wise, it’s an Escape competitor, but I definitely wouldn’t tell someone it’s Mazda’s version of the escape. Maybe closer to a Bronco sport because that’s just a more hip escape.

That makes sense, though Toyota's premium on their hybrid system isn't that bad nowadays IMO. Mazda's interior also tends to be nicer than Toyota's.

And when your CEO has to smuggle himself out of the country in a box, yeah, your company has some issues. No, I am not joking; this really happened.

[Allez]

Originally Posted by UnknownJinX

Funnily enough, that could actually have been true more than a decade ago, since Ford was the major stockholder of Mazda at the time. That's why you see a lot of people say that Ford owned Mazda, which isn't technically true, but it's not entirely wrong, either. Ford's idea at the time is to let Mazda handle the smaller I4 engines while they focus on bigger V6 and Modular engines.

I've been a fan of Mazda since I bought my first new car, a 1987 Mazda 626. I view the days of major collaboration with Ford as not being the best for them. Since then, Mazda's really displayed a passion that many carmakers lack. It's one company where the engineers and drivers seem to be heard at least as loud as any beancounters.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by FlukeSS

Some people make no compromises.

Hmmm... Decisions decisions: "Wife/GF or Camaro"

A dollar down and a dollar when you catch me!

The money I spend on my cars is probably what I would end up spending on a wife, GF, or kids anyway. At least this is worth it, HAHAHA!!

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Allez

Please don't say it's a Ford Escape . . . it really isn't lol.

Is it not? I thought they were the same platform. Or at least realistically comparable. I don't know anymore.

[enzia35]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Is it not? I thought they were the same platform. Or at least realistically comparable. I don't know anymore.

Ford and Mazda parted ways a while back, CX-5 is completely Mazda's. And it's so much better.

You're thinking of the Escape and Tribute.

[Blobby]

Originally Posted by enzia35

Ford and Mazda parted ways a while back, CX-5 is completely Mazda's. And it's so much better.

You're thinking of the Escape and Tribute.

What is Kia and Hyundai’s relationship nowadays? I know they’re both owned by the same company at some level now. Multiple salesmen said the Palisade is just a rebranded Telluride and visa versa.

[UnknownJinX]

Originally Posted by Allez

I've been a fan of Mazda since I bought my first new car, a 1987 Mazda 626. I view the days of major collaboration with Ford as not being the best for them. Since then, Mazda's really displayed a passion that many carmakers lack. It's one company where the engineers and drivers seem to be heard at least as loud as any beancounters.

It's not great for Mazda, but Mazda also constantly had problems keeping themself afloat, so it was a necessity.

As for my opinion on Mazda... A bit of a rant ahead.

I have to disagree with you there. It's a company I feel conflicted about. I mentioned I like their newer designs and the reliability of their SkyActiv stuff, but passion? I am not seeing much nowadays. Now I understand that they are a small company, but killing Mazdaspeed branch and not offering anything really performance-oriented are hardly worth calling passionate. I love the ND2 Miata, but I am looking for something that can give the M cars and our SS 1LE a run for their money, or even something that can keep up with Golf R.

I mean, FFS, the king of toasters - Toyota, has been more passionate. Sure, Zupr4 is a lot of BMW but there is no question about Yaris GR. Even Hyundai has their Veloster N that's catching some traction. Where is Mazdaspeed3? Oh, dead, because apparently it's "childish". Yes, Mazda said Mazdaspeed is childish. I guess AMG, RS, 1LE, Shelby are all childish.

I know it is too much to ask for another rotary; a lot of RX-7 and RX-8 guys have accepted that. But when the brand can't muster up a hot hatch, yeah, I can't really call it passionate.

IMO, Mazda's fatal flaw is marketing. We can dump on BMW for selling X12345678 but that's also how they can reel in the money to make the M cars better. Mazda wants to go upbrand nowadays, but that could be an uphill battle. We will see how that goes...

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Is it not? I thought they were the same platform. Or at least realistically comparable. I don't know anymore.

Basically, Ford ditched a lot of stocks in Mazda during the 2008 financial crash to save themself. You know, that one that killed GM and Chrysler? By 2013, Ford really isn't getting involved in Mazda designs at all. As mentioned, anything SkyActiv is Mazda's own design.

Originally Posted by Blobby

What is Kia and Hyundai’s relationship nowadays? I know they’re both owned by the same company at some level now. Multiple salesmen said the Palisade is just a rebranded Telluride and visa versa.

They are the same company, yes, along with Genesis.