[Number 3]

Originally Posted by UnknownJinX

You kinda answered your own question, though.

No performance EV is available at a reasonable cost for now, assuming if you look past silly 0-60 MPH time.

And I dunno, hard to give up the stick shift for me, but to each of their own.

0 to 60 isn't silly. If the Camaro was .1 seconds behind the Mustang it would have been a HUGE deal. At least admit that simple point.

And the Taycan is wayyyyy more than a 0 to 60 machine. At least admit that point as well.

If you can't at least admit to those two points, you are simply hanging on to the NVH issue which if the Camaro were simply just louder (against the 80 dB noise pass by rule) than the Mustang then it would sell more. Not the case however.

Just take a step back and realize that EVs aren't going to be appliances. They aren't. Think of what it takes to get someone to buy a 30, 40 or 50 thousand dollar appliance. It better do some things REALLY well.

[MR's 2SS]

My 2 cents...
Our 2ss vert is my wifes DD...except for the Accord when it rains or theres salt on the road. Weve been together 37 years....
So yea, they got me. And the mid 60s is when I started lusting for cars.
67 Impala SS 427 is in my top 5....
I also love the mountains and the barn....
But the only GM vehicles I have any current interest in is Camaro and Vette. Everything else is mediocre at best.
Not just GM. Cars in general are uninspiring.
Ive owned Ford or GM trucks depending which I like when I need a new one. Ive done well either way. But usually change brands because of something negative.
No TV commercial is going to change my mind or make me think the faceless corporation cares what I think.
They are bringing out performance EVs now trying to gather our business.
In the future, some will be good. Most will be crap. Just like today.
Theres a guy in here somewhere that said he traded his Tesla because they did a program update to his car and ruined his performance... He tried to get them to fix it and they refused. He sold the car.
My take on that is. No matter how these computer heavy vehicles perform... at any point in the future they will be able to detune them remotely if they please. What need for speed limits when you can program limits.
I spend so much time stuck in a line going 10 mph under the limit...driving has become too frustrating to enjoy anyway.

[90503]

Originally Posted by Number 3

0 to 60 isn't silly. If the Camaro was .1 seconds behind the Mustang it would have been a HUGE deal. At least admit that simple point.

And the Taycan is wayyyyy more than a 0 to 60 machine. At least admit that point as well.

If you can't at least admit to those two points, you are simply hanging on to the NVH issue which if the Camaro were simply just louder (against the 80 dB noise pass by rule) than the Mustang then it would sell more. Not the case however.

Just take a step back and realize that EVs aren't going to be appliances. They aren't. Think of what it takes to get someone to buy a 30, 40 or 50 thousand dollar appliance. It better do some things REALLY well.

You need to take a step back and realize no one has to agree with you.

Especially when you have a preconceived notion of what others think if they dare to disagree with your first two required admissions. What you claim they are "simply hanging on to" makes you the mind-reader supreme.

If you love EVs, have at it. Others have a different view that is not wrong simply because you feel differently.

[JoeCamaro444]

EVs will never bring as much of a thrill as a manual equipped V8 with a healthy Torque band. 🤷🏻*♂️

[jamala00]

Don't turn this into another EV thread for Christ Sake. Like there isn't enough of those useless pointless threads on this forum already??

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by Number 3

0 to 60 isn't silly. If the Camaro was .1 seconds behind the Mustang it would have been a HUGE deal. At least admit that simple point.

And the Taycan is wayyyyy more than a 0 to 60 machine. At least admit that point as well.

If you can't at least admit to those two points, you are simply hanging on to the NVH issue which if the Camaro were simply just louder (against the 80 dB noise pass by rule) than the Mustang then it would sell more. Not the case however.

Just take a step back and realize that EVs aren't going to be appliances. They aren't. Think of what it takes to get someone to buy a 30, 40 or 50 thousand dollar appliance. It better do some things REALLY well.

Despite my bitching about EVs, I am open to seeing what performance EVs will be. I have no choice and the transition will certainly be better than what the auto industry gave us going from 1970 to 1979.

The interior environment will need to make up for the lost visceral aspects like the V8 roar and manual shift. I've ridden in Tesla and think the large tablet is stupid and sterile. The Audi Etron GT does this well.

Electric performance will also have the ability to give a larger interior space because the 0 - 60 won't suffer and they are already heavy. Can they deliver Alpha's driving dynamic?

0 to 60 mph isn't the only thing that made the gen6 Camaro better than the Mustang or Challenger. Can Chevy deliver a $50k performance EV coupe with styling, environment and dynamics? I think they can, more so than Ford or Stellantis, if they still care. Do they?

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by hotlap

Despite my bitching about EVs, I am open to seeing what performance EVs will be. I have no choice and the transition will certainly be better than what the auto industry gave us going from 1970 to 1979.

The interior environment will need to make up for the lost visceral aspects like the V8 roar and manual shift. I've ridden in Tesla and think the large tablet is stupid and sterile. The Audi Etron GT does this well.

Electric performance will also have the ability to give a larger interior space because the 0 - 60 won't suffer and they are already heavy. Can they deliver Alpha's driving dynamic?

0 to 60 mph isn't the only thing that made the gen6 Camaro better than the Mustang or Challenger. Can Chevy deliver a $50k performance EV coupe with styling, environment and dynamics? I think they can, more so than Ford or Stellantis, if they still care. Do they?

That is my fervent hope. An EV so good it can change the minds of many ICE stalwarts. And to be clear, GM, an SUV will NOT do that. And it can’t be an extra $15,000. As the Lyriq seems to replace the XT5, it’s base price is $15k more.

You’ve hit all the points.

[The Blackheart]

Originally Posted by MightyBobo

Bam, pow, right in the feels

No other way to say it!!

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by Number 3

That is my fervent hope. An EV so good it can change the minds of many ICE stalwarts. And to be clear, GM, an SUV will NOT do that. And it can’t be an extra $15,000. As the Lyriq seems to replace the XT5, it’s base price is $15k more.

You’ve hit all the points.

Al O is part of the EV team. Hopefully he can convince them. I noticed the Hummer has T-tops …Al O influence?

[digitalfutur]

Beautiful ad. Chevy sold 1,046,514 Impalas in 1965, a record for a single model line that still stands today. And 774,214 in 1966.

I've been a GM guy all my life. Well almost. My first car that I owned myself, in my late teens was a Ford Pinto. I only made that mistake once.

[UnknownJinX]

Originally Posted by Number 3

0 to 60 isn't silly. If the Camaro was .1 seconds behind the Mustang it would have been a HUGE deal. At least admit that simple point.



And the Taycan is wayyyyy more than a 0 to 60 machine. At least admit that point as well.



If you can't at least admit to those two points, you are simply hanging on to the NVH issue which if the Camaro were simply just louder (against the 80 dB noise pass by rule) than the Mustang then it would sell more. Not the case however.



Just take a step back and realize that EVs aren't going to be appliances. They aren't. Think of what it takes to get someone to buy a 30, 40 or 50 thousand dollar appliance. It better do some things REALLY well.

You missed my point completely. I am not denying the advantages, but in what world does the cost of Taycan count as "reasonable" for most people?

0-60 MPH is silly in the sense that, when you get to a certain point(especially for FR/FMR platforms), it becomes traction-limited. It isn't super useful because it doesn't accurately reflect the horsepower of the car. It just comes down to who has better tires and who can hook up better.

C8 Stingray does better 0-60 than C7 Z06, but C7 Z06 is far more powerful.

And on a track, 0-60 MPH doesn't count for crap. It's not like you launch out of the pit at full force.

Rolling start is a bit more reflective of a car's capability, but not a lot of people seem to like it. IMO, 0-60 used to have a point because most cars were indeed power-limited for the traction, but nowadays, traction is the main enemy and it's given MR/RR/AWD cars an unfair advantage against FF/FR cars.

[Nilly Welson]

Originally Posted by jamala00

Don't turn this into another EV thread for Christ Sake. Like there isn't enough of those useless pointless threads on this forum already??

EVs suck...they have no soul, no rumble. They just slide down the road. Like comparing an electric train to an Old diesel or coal fired locomotive. Which one has soul and peaks your interest while waiting at a train station?

[GroundhogSS]

That's a really good commercial. Makes me remember the '63 Impala convertible that I bought in about '65. White with blue interior. That was quite a car for the time.

[gpskinzhut]

Great commercial, though no product marketing.