11-28-2021, 01:29 PM | #29 |
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Yes, I plan on doing a pretty extensive review of both cars in about a month.
I pick it up next Saturday. I won't get to drive it much the first week as it will be going in for a track alignment first, then will be out for a few days for Ceramic Coating and window tint. The SS 1LE is already gone, but I have my "test" sections of roads on which I test all my cars to see how they compare both in grip and in damping/chassis control. Also the intangible of how it "feels" to drive. The SS 1LE always felt a little sloppy to me at low speed because of the soft spring rates used (due to the MRC shocks) (not to be mistaken for sway bars, as the 1LE sways bars are very stiff). However it felt better and better as the speed increased. It felt just as good at 120MPH as it did at 60MPH.
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11-28-2021, 03:07 PM | #30 | |
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11-28-2021, 05:33 PM | #31 | |
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PPF can look yellowish after a couple years and it hides the beauty of the paint. If I planned on it being an investment and a garage queen, maybe, but this is a car that will see daily driver duty.
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12-08-2021, 02:23 PM | #32 |
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Ok, so I picked up my new GT4 this weekend and drove it home from LA to the Bay Area.
Have about 700 miles on it now and have started to play with it some. I got a track alignment on it yesterday (very similar settings as I had in the 1LE). Here are my initial impressions in random order... 1.) The mid engine platform is AMAZING. Wow, the way this thing rotates is sublime. 2.) I have done a couple full throttle accelerations (not using launch control) and a couple full throttle pulls. It pulls quite a bit harder than the 1LE, especially in the last 2K RPM's. I definitely think Porsche sandbags their quoted numbers and the drivetrain loss has to be small. It feels much faster than its figures lead you to believe. 3.) there is plenty of low down TQ and I do not find that an issue at all compared to the 1LE in city driving. 4.) It is quite firm and when it comes to suspension feel, it has its pros and cons compared to the MRC. Here is what I notice most... 4a.) The 1LE feels sloppy at low speeds, but as the speed builds to comes into its own and 120 MPH feels the same as 60 MPH. Where as the GT4 feel firm and solid even at low speeds and things get a little busier as the speeds build. 120MPH does NOT feel like 60 MPH in this car, the chassis is a bit busier than the 1LE. 4b.) the rebound damping happens faster and a bit more controlled in the GT4. The 1LE softens things a bit more and recovers from being upset just a few clicks slower. It is a trade-off in both directions. 4c.) Kinda mentioned above but, The 1LE feels more stable and less busy when you get into the 120ish range. Some probably comes down to suspension tuning, while the rest comes from the 1LE having a wider track. The 1LE is the high sweeper car and the GT4 is the master of the tight, lower speed technical sections. 5.) the sounds the GT4 makes are 100 times better than the 1LE. Between the induction noises and the exhaust, it is just a much more refined and pleasurable sound that comes from the GT4. The 1LE (partly do to CA crappy 91 octane gas and GM's conservative timing parameters) the 1LE sounds like crap sometimes in the upper RPM range. 6.) Better gas mileage in the GT4. Makes sense as we are dealing with 6 cylinders, instead of 8. 7.) Steering feel: It is a lighter feel than the 1LE, but feels better and more direct to me. I will have more later as I add more miles and drive it more. Here is a pic of my G meter after my alignment yesterday, while playing around last night on my local on/off ramps. 1.3 is an amazing feeling and the 1LE never saw more than 1.2
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12-08-2021, 03:12 PM | #33 |
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Do you think your 3rd point would be an issue with the manual? If I understand what Porsche does correctly I believe the pdk is geared more aggressively (just like the a10 vs m6 camaro is as well).
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12-08-2021, 03:20 PM | #34 | |
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It is true though that the PDK has about 10% lower gear ratios over the manual and with PDK it is always in the right gear, so it is always operating in its optimal parameters. To me though, this car feels better with a PDK. It makes full use of its power. But that is a whole other debate manual VS PDK. For me, it was one of the reasons for the move from the 1LE, as I LOVE the dual clutch experience.
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12-08-2021, 04:26 PM | #35 |
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Post some pics! I love the GT4's.
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12-08-2021, 04:50 PM | #36 |
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12-08-2021, 07:36 PM | #38 |
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From another Porsche guy, congrats on the GT4.
I'm looking to possibly add to the stable with a 2SS 1LE or ZL1 1LE (Maybe even take advantage of the market and sell my 2017 911 Turbo S). So much difference in the cars in terms of build / quality and such but it's still amazing the performance for dollar spent on the 1LE's
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12-08-2021, 07:38 PM | #39 |
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Congratulations!! That’s a beautiful Porsche. I’m jealous!!
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12-08-2021, 07:55 PM | #40 |
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Mic drop!
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My test was just on my local on/off ramps for a comparison of like for like.
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12-08-2021, 08:06 PM | #42 | |
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I went GT4 for mainly the reasons that I could just not get in the 1LE... 1.) Light weight 2.) Mid engine 3.) PDK 4.) Interior and build quality 5.) Lower center of gravity. On the performance side, they are pretty close. The GT4 wins out for acceleration, ultimate grip levels (like for like), and rotation feeling/lower center of gravity. The 1LE wins out for ultimate ride comfort and high speed stability (above 120ish) when pressing on, on roads that are not completely smooth. When you consider pricing, the 1LE hits way above its weight class. Like I noted above though, the one caveat is the solid rear cradle bushings, the SS 1LE doesn't feel as confident in the rear as the GT4 in completly stock form.
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