[redcoats1976]

Originally Posted by HDRDTD

Perhaps call the EV version, a Camero, not a Camaro.

perhaps call it Emaro? at least that would give fair warning to those wanting an acceleration contest...

[ItsChristianInHD]

Heads up!

[redcoats1976]

on the other hand,i wouldnt spend good money on a 4 door.i know thats just old school and just as bad as hating on T4s and 6 cylinders,but i cant learn to like 4 door cars...

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

Adding DI to Coyote was pretty much the same action as GM going from LS1 to LT1. The primary difference between LS1 and LT1 is DI, only GM did it earlier. Coyote is pretty much unchanged since then, just as LT1 is unchanged.

And the issue with location of the LT2 dry sump is that because of the mid-engine layout, that’s the only place it could go and fit in the C8 while being properly protected and service accessible. The real issue is GM decided NOT to put a dry sump on Camaro LT1. That would probably be an easier packaging execution than LT2 in the C8. Part of it would have come down to a realistic assessment of how many people actually track their vehicles on road courses (not drag strips) and is it worth passing on the additional cost of the dry sump to all the SS buyers who don’t. A pure cost vs benefit analysis.

They still did it mid 6th generation, to keep the car fresh. They also raised the redline and increased power to 460 horsepower. GM hasn’t changed the LT1 since it was released. At least during the LS years, they increased performance and displacement. The LT generation is a few 6.2s and you better like it.

I get that there’s a cost/benefit analysis but their analysis has been wrong. Their decision making process rammed the Camaro brand into the ground at terminal velocity. Their ability to take one of the best performance cars in the market and ruin it is unsurpassed.

[raptor5244]

Originally Posted by detamble13

The Model S Plaid looks like it could be fun. So do they go after the big numbers and try to beat Tesla's existing product? I'm just interested in how the muscle car segment goes electric and generates interest.

Have you seen this? Kind of cheesy but cool at the same time.

https://www.motor1.com/news/521725/m...ellcat-sounds/

[Norm Peterson]

Originally Posted by UnknownJinX

IMO it's just leftover stigma because 6 cylinders of the old are piss slow. In the dark age of American V8s, the V8s made, what, 250 horses. The V6s naturally made far less.

They weren't even V6 engines back then. They were inline sixxes breathing through 1-barrel carburetors with about a 43 mm throttle bore (and an even smaller venturi diameter). HP in the low one-hundreds and pretty much all done by 4500 rpm.

Unfortunately, that's the image that US Domestic six-cylinder engines were saddled with.

For the dry sump, I mean, if Camaro doesn't suffer from oil starvation issues on the track, that's all that matters. With a 10-litre wet sump, I don't know what kind of corners you have to be pulling to get oil starvation. Mustangs get away with far less oil.

Not true any more. ^^^ from the 2020 Mustang Owner Manual.

Capacities Including the Oil Filter
All. 10.0 qt (9.5 L)

Norm

[Number 3]

So back to the basics of this, and not being able to see the referenced Automotive News article linked in the GM Authority article kind of have to ask more questions.

First, with no replacement planned, the only Chevy Sedan left is the Malibu. So IF GM wants a Chevy Sedan, it likely fill the market of the Malibu. What GM has not done in the past is give Chevy the full on options available in each architecture. For example, Malibu is the SWB off of the Epsilon Architecture. Epsilon has Linked H-arm rear and Hiper strut front suspensions that were only optional on Buick (on my LaCrosse) and standard on the Cadillac XTS. AWD? Not on Chevy but available on the Buick and Cadillac. 400 HP Turbo V6? Cadillac only. Could you imagine a 400 HP AWD Regal or Malibu? All the parts fit, just brand choices trying to run GM the way it used to 60 or 70 years ago.

So let's imagine GM does a 1 motor RW or FWD Malibu replacement but the gets to a 2 or 3 motor version as the performance edition. Unlocking the full Utium parts bin to Chevy. Now is that a Camaro replacement? No IMHO. But is GM going to use the Camaro name on a hi performance version of a Chevy Sedan? Maybe but my gut says no. But keep in mind there was a lot of complaining about the use of the Blazer name on a FWD/AWD SUV. Me? I never looked at a 1970s Blazer as some ultimate off road vehicle so I frankly was ok with it.

Also keep in mind GM had the SS 2014 through 17. But it was $48k plus and was never a low/entry level sedan. It failed so I don't see GM trying to do only a hi performance sedan for Chevy. It would have to span at least mid level to high end minimum to work.

So I can see GM having an EV Sedan for Chevrolet.

The only real question is what they decide to call it.

Oh and the hand built top end Cadillac supposedly is a hatch. Hmmmmmmm

[UnknownJinX]

Originally Posted by Norm Peterson

They weren't even V6 engines back then. They were inline sixxes breathing through 1-barrel carburetors with about a 43 mm throttle bore (and an even smaller venturi diameter). HP in the low one-hundreds and pretty much all done by 4500 rpm.



Unfortunately, that's the image that US Domestic six-cylinder engines were saddled with.







Not true any more. ^^^ from the 2020 Mustang Owner Manual.









Norm

The American I6 existed before the dark age of V8s. That was when V8s made 400+ horses easily before they took a massive hit from emission standards. But yeah, this is particularly a shame for Camaro because it is competitive to the likes of M4. Sports cars are not necessarily about raw power, they are more about handling.

And I didn't know Gen 3 Coyote got that massive of a oil pan now. I was a bit surprised to learn that Hellcat Charger holds about 6 quarts, but then again, a Charger on a track... Yeah.

[Need4Camaro]

All I can say is 'meh'.. ..I won't be buying one, which is pretty extreme for me given how diehard of a Camaro fan I have been all my life.

I look at my built up 4th Gen with a Cammed LS3 in it, True Duals, Stall, Built Tranny, and when I see her parked in the parking lot...



..I recite to myself ... 'In Memory of America .. R.I.P'

[redcoats1976]

its not the same country it was,thats for sure...

[FarmerFran]

Originally Posted by UnknownJinX

The American I6 existed before the dark age of V8s. That was when V8s made 400+ horses easily before they took a massive hit from emission standards. But yeah, this is particularly a shame for Camaro because it is competitive to the likes of M4. Sports cars are not necessarily about raw power, they are more about handling.

And I didn't know Gen 3 Coyote got that massive of a oil pan now. I was a bit surprised to learn that Hellcat Charger holds about 6 quarts, but then again, a Charger on a track... Yeah.

HC = 7.5 qt
392 = 7 qt

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by redcoats1976

its not the same country it was, thats for sure...

Fact.

[FarmerFran]

Originally Posted by hotlap

Fact.

"my" father said that, my father's father said that, my father's father's father said that.......

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by FarmerFran

"my" father said that, my father's father said that, my father's father's father said that.......

Your father, father's father and father's father's father would be loosing their shit