[shaffe]

hahaha

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by shaffe

I was at the NMRA/NMCA race this weekend in Martin MI, had a chance to see my first new GT500s in person. They do look killer. the one that was racing had some work done, he was in the 9s. Sounded great.

There was a ton of Hellcats there as well racing in the NMCA, most were in the 11s and 10s and a couple cracked 9s. Saw a TRX go down the strip as well, IIRC he went 13s.

Maybe 2 6th gens were there racing, then one is in low 10s. And a few COPO's that were straight cruising. The vast majority of the 5th and 6th gen camaros that were there were parked outside the track at the car show. So yes this is going to stir the pot, but why? You guys love to brag about how the 6th gen has been superior performance wise since it came out why do GM people not race them? There was over 500 cars registered at this event and single digit camaros racing while probably 20 or 30 sitting with the hoods popped open at the car show? I don't get it. It's not like there was a lack of chevys in the NMCA classes. tons of Novas, first gen Camaros, chevelles, S-10s hell there was even a freaking Equinox running one of the classes

Interesting observation. Ironically, one of our club members was there at Martin and won the award for best 5th Gen. She won the same award at CamaroFest in Bowling Green KY a couple weeks ago. In our club, we have just over 100 members. Some of us show, some of us drag, some of us track, some are there just for the hang out as well as community charity things we do. I fit in 3 of the 4 categories (would be all 4 if they’d let me take my convertible on the area road courses). Just thinking off the top of my head, there are probably about a dozen members who consistently put their cars out on a track or dragstrip.

[shaffe]

I know racing isn't for everyone I just find it shocking that I see so few 5th and 6th gens compared to the amount of Mustangs, Challengers, Chargers

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by shaffe

I know racing isn't for everyone I just find it shocking that I see so few 5th and 6th gens compared to the amount of Mustangs, Challengers, Chargers

Not sure what was going on at Martin (ironically ). I wanted to go, but had scheduling conflicts. When I go to Lapeer International Dragway there’s a pretty decent distribution of Camaro / Mustang / Chargallenger on most weekends. Unless there is a specific brand-focused spin to the day. I often find myself fender to fender with other 6-Gens at Lapeer.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

Not sure what was going on at Martin (ironically ). I wanted to go, but had scheduling conflicts. When I go to Lapeer International Dragway there’s a pretty decent distribution of Camaro / Mustang / Chargallenger on most weekends. Unless there is a specific brand-focused spin to the day. I often find myself fender to fender with other 6-Gens at Lapeer.

haha

Well obviously with an NMRA event theres going to be rows and rows and rows of mustangs, but the NMCA has classes for everyone. It wasn't just this last weekend I noticed it either. 2 years ago I noticed the same thing at the NMRA/NMCA super bowl of drag racing in Joliet.

Even when I was on the board for a local series one of the sponsors specialized in GM products. They had a huge car show and me and a few others went to try and get the GTO and 5th gen guys to come out and race and they were more interested in the car show.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by shaffe

I was at the NMRA/NMCA race this weekend in Martin MI, had a chance to see my first new GT500s in person. They do look killer. the one that was racing had some work done, he was in the 9s. Sounded great.

There was a ton of Hellcats there as well racing in the NMCA, most were in the 11s and 10s and a couple cracked 9s. Saw a TRX go down the strip as well, IIRC he went 13s.

Maybe 2 6th gens were there racing, then one is in low 10s. And a few COPO's that were straight cruising. The vast majority of the 5th and 6th gen camaros that were there were parked outside the track at the car show. So yes this is going to stir the pot, but why? You guys love to brag about how the 6th gen has been superior performance wise since it came out why do GM people not race them? There was over 500 cars registered at this event and single digit camaros racing while probably 20 or 30 sitting with the hoods popped open at the car show? I don't get it. It's not like there was a lack of chevys in the NMCA classes. tons of Novas, first gen Camaros, chevelles, S-10s hell there was even a freaking Equinox running one of the classes

This is not something that is new or anything. In fact it is pretty standard. Most Camaro owners do not race and don't care to race. Most Mustang owners are out there with the temp tags still on the car. There will always be approx 5-10 Mustangs per 1-2 Camaros.

A lot is to blame for this. Camaros are much more expensive or on a higher tier level than Mustangs. People say "Why didn't I get a Mustang? Because I can afford a Camaro". LOL!! So that alone, the Camaro will typically attract an older and more affluent purchaser. As such not many would be willing to take such an expensive car to the track and beat on it and get it dirty etc. Mustangs usually attract a younger fan base with not as much money. So perhaps they have more time to go to the track since they work at fast food joints and cell phone kiosks in the mall or deliver for Door Dash or whatever they do to scrape pennies to pay for their $27K OTD base model GT. They certainly can call out from work and spend an entire evening at the track. Us Camaro owners with more expensive cars that are fully optioned have careers that require commitment. So we don't often have the ability to call out from work. So that's one reason.

Another reason I touched on, the Camaro is seen as a higher level car than the Mustang. So whereas people beat on Mustangs and void their warranty throw mods at it without building it properly and blow their engines up or destroy their transmissions, us Camaro owners take better care of our cars. So most of us don't go launching our cars at 4K RPMS and dump the clutch on DRs so we can hero run a high 11 and claim we can beat Hellcats and ZL1s. Even tho our engines can handle it, after spending hard earned money at our jobs, we prefer to just enjoy our cars.

Another reason is that a lot of us are a bit more mature and spend our spare time either with our families on the weekends or with our wives or doing adult type things instead of spending $20 at the track to hang out all night with a bunch of dudes like a teenager. I know personally after a few nights working at my job the last thing on my mind is going t the track. However a cashier at the supermarket who has no girlfriend will most likely go right to the track after his 4 hour shift since he probably doesn't have to be back to work the next day since he is only part-time.

So those are just a few reasons. If I had a cheap base model GT then I'd have no problem beating on it all day. But my ZL1 was $70K and as such I prefer to take care of it. I went to the track like 3 times and ran what I felt was good enough for the little effort I put in and I was satisfied. A GT owner would probably keep going and beating the snot out of his car until it is leaking fluids and smoke is coming out the tailpipes and the engine is sputtering and ticking. And he'll be like "Yo I ran an 11.7 or 113 octane race gas so my GT is faster than a Z06". And that's cool. But us Camaro owners have a bit more dignity and self respect so we don't do that crap.

That answer your question?

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

This is not something that is new or anything. In fact it is pretty standard. Most Camaro owners do not race and don't care to race. Most Mustang owners are out there with the temp tags still on the car. There will always be approx 5-10 Mustangs per 1-2 Camaros.

A lot is to blame for this. Camaros are much more expensive or on a higher tier level than Mustangs. People say "Why didn't I get a Mustang? Because I can afford a Camaro". LOL!! So that alone, the Camaro will typically attract an older and more affluent purchaser. As such not many would be willing to take such an expensive car to the track and beat on it and get it dirty etc. Mustangs usually attract a younger fan base with not as much money. So perhaps they have more time to go to the track since they work at fast food joints and cell phone kiosks in the mall or deliver for Door Dash or whatever they do to scrape pennies to pay for their $27K OTD base model GT. They certainly can call out from work and spend an entire evening at the track. Us Camaro owners with more expensive cars that are fully optioned have careers that require commitment. So we don't often have the ability to call out from work. So that's one reason.

Another reason I touched on, the Camaro is seen as a higher level car than the Mustang. So whereas people beat on Mustangs and void their warranty throw mods at it without building it properly and blow their engines up or destroy their transmissions, us Camaro owners take better care of our cars. So most of us don't go launching our cars at 4K RPMS and dump the clutch on DRs so we can hero run a high 11 and claim we can beat Hellcats and ZL1s. Even tho our engines can handle it, after spending hard earned money at our jobs, we prefer to just enjoy our cars.

Another reason is that a lot of us are a bit more mature and spend our spare time either with our families on the weekends or with our wives or doing adult type things instead of spending $20 at the track to hang out all night with a bunch of dudes like a teenager. I know personally after a few nights working at my job the last thing on my mind is going t the track. However a cashier at the supermarket who has no girlfriend will most likely go right to the track after his 4 hour shift since he probably doesn't have to be back to work the next day since he is only part-time.

So those are just a few reasons. If I had a cheap base model GT then I'd have no problem beating on it all day. But my ZL1 was $70K and as such I prefer to take care of it. I went to the track like 3 times and ran what I felt was good enough for the little effort I put in and I was satisfied. A GT owner would probably keep going and beating the snot out of his car until it is leaking fluids and smoke is coming out the tailpipes and the engine is sputtering and ticking. And he'll be like "Yo I ran an 11.7 or 113 octane race gas so my GT is faster than a Z06". And that's cool. But us Camaro owners have a bit more dignity and self respect so we don't do that crap.

That answer your question?

No not really but possibly lol. I just found it odd at this event specifically(not a test n tune those are totally different story and I would probably agree with most of your points) that there were probably 20ish Camaros outside the track at a car show where the rest of the makes and models were in racing.

the amount of camaros sitting outside the track at the car show kind of blows your argument that camaro owners would rather do other things with family friends to hell lol.

Also compared to the amount of Corvettes that were racing and plenty of 70K Hellcat Chargers and Challengers racing I don't think its Camaros are expensive, you should have seen some of the money some of these guys from all makes had in the trucks, trailers, motorhomes lol. this was also a 4 day event, so if you were here you obviously have some money and are not a cashier or working some low end job. This event was in MI, and I saw plates from Texas, florida, indiana, iowa, illinois, maryland even new york.

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

This is not something that is new or anything. In fact it is pretty standard. Most Camaro owners do not race and don't care to race. Most Mustang owners are out there with the temp tags still on the car. There will always be approx 5-10 Mustangs per 1-2 Camaros.

A lot is to blame for this. Camaros are much more expensive or on a higher tier level than Mustangs. People say "Why didn't I get a Mustang? Because I can afford a Camaro". LOL!! So that alone, the Camaro will typically attract an older and more affluent purchaser. As such not many would be willing to take such an expensive car to the track and beat on it and get it dirty etc. Mustangs usually attract a younger fan base with not as much money. So perhaps they have more time to go to the track since they work at fast food joints and cell phone kiosks in the mall or deliver for Door Dash or whatever they do to scrape pennies to pay for their $27K OTD base model GT. They certainly can call out from work and spend an entire evening at the track. Us Camaro owners with more expensive cars that are fully optioned have careers that require commitment. So we don't often have the ability to call out from work. So that's one reason.

Another reason I touched on, the Camaro is seen as a higher level car than the Mustang. So whereas people beat on Mustangs and void their warranty throw mods at it without building it properly and blow their engines up or destroy their transmissions, us Camaro owners take better care of our cars. So most of us don't go launching our cars at 4K RPMS and dump the clutch on DRs so we can hero run a high 11 and claim we can beat Hellcats and ZL1s. Even tho our engines can handle it, after spending hard earned money at our jobs, we prefer to just enjoy our cars.

Another reason is that a lot of us are a bit more mature and spend our spare time either with our families on the weekends or with our wives or doing adult type things instead of spending $20 at the track to hang out all night with a bunch of dudes like a teenager. I know personally after a few nights working at my job the last thing on my mind is going t the track. However a cashier at the supermarket who has no girlfriend will most likely go right to the track after his 4 hour shift since he probably doesn't have to be back to work the next day since he is only part-time.

So those are just a few reasons. If I had a cheap base model GT then I'd have no problem beating on it all day. But my ZL1 was $70K and as such I prefer to take care of it. I went to the track like 3 times and ran what I felt was good enough for the little effort I put in and I was satisfied. A GT owner would probably keep going and beating the snot out of his car until it is leaking fluids and smoke is coming out the tailpipes and the engine is sputtering and ticking. And he'll be like "Yo I ran an 11.7 or 113 octane race gas so my GT is faster than a Z06". And that's cool. But us Camaro owners have a bit more dignity and self respect so we don't do that crap.

That answer your question?

While funny, I don't really think much of this is true except I do think the Mustang is cheaper to get into a V8 with since the base model is, well, basic (all the way to the 18" wheels a/ A/S tires!). I also don't think the Camaro is seen as a higher tier car than Mustang outside of Camaro owners.

As far as Mustang owners being part time checkers...tell that to my friend w/ a Shelby GT350 that is a Doctor.

I will say that it does seem Mustang owners do mod their cars more extensively than Camaros, but maybe that's just what I see around here. Or maybe it's because they have more aftermarket options. I see a lot of aftermarket appearance mods on Mustangs around here. Some well-done, others not so much.

[6spdhyperblue]

Originally Posted by shaffe

I know racing isn't for everyone I just find it shocking that I see so few 5th and 6th gens compared to the amount of Mustangs, Challengers, Chargers

I see plenty of Camaros at the strip and track events in these parts.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by shaffe

No not really but possibly lol. I just found it odd at this event specifically(not a test n tune those are totally different story and I would probably agree with most of your points) that there were probably 20ish Camaros outside the track at a car show where the rest of the makes and models were in racing.

the amount of camaros sitting outside the track at the car show kind of blows your argument that camaro owners would rather do other things with family friends to hell lol.

Also compared to the amount of Corvettes that were racing and plenty of 70K Hellcat Chargers and Challengers racing I don't think its Camaros are expensive, you should have seen some of the money some of these guys from all makes had in the trucks, trailers, motorhomes lol. this was also a 4 day event, so if you were here you obviously have some money and are not a cashier or working some low end job. This event was in MI, and I saw plates from Texas, florida, indiana, iowa, illinois, maryland even new york.

Car shows attract a different and much more diverse crowd than the track does. Many people will go to a car show but not as many go to the track. Plus many times car shows are held in very public places like supermarket parking lots, Home Depot parking lots, near parks, on the beach. And typically in mornings on weekends. Many people can conduct their routine of shoppu g and then look at cars or vice-versa. Or take the family to the beach or park and look at them. And they have free attendance for spectators. Its a much more family friendly environmentthan being at a track at 9pm with cars doing loud burnoutsand the smell of gas in the air..

And yes, Camaros are more expensive than Mustangs. Weren't you the one on all those threads about low sales? That was your thing for a while. I think you even started some of those threads. How many times was price brought up? Don't play like you don't know now. Price has always been a major reason for people choosing a GT over the SS. What were all those complaints and statements back in 15, 16, 17 all about then? "Dealership wouldn't come down on the price of a new SS so I went and got a GT for $28,500 OTD" and shit like that. You were present when we had all those debates here. And you saw all those posts on M6 too. That's the main reason why Mustangs sold more. Because they were significantly less expensive for the Base GT as compared to RTs, SRT8s, SS, etc.

[clg82]

Mustangs are a poor mans sports car, which is why you see every Tom Dick and Harry driving one. Especially GTs. I literally can't drive any of my cars without seeing 8-10 within my city being driven by teenagers or young adults daily. It almost has become a nuisance trying to drive my ZL1 in town without those said people trying to race stoplight to stoplight. Can't say I blame them, everyone wants a shot at the king of Camaros . And yes I track mine, went to Willow Springs with a Shelby Club a couple of weekends ago.

[Modernmusclecar]

Ive had my 5th gen for 10 years. Alot of cruises i go to Im out numbered by mustangs 10 to 1.2 buddies just bought 2021 Lt1 and 2021 1le so it helps a bit. I race my car and hit the cruises. I must be a rare breed. I do both lol.
https://www.camaro6.com/forums/attac...1&d=1627435298
Race vid
https://youtu.be/zh2DPJHbdNc

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Car shows attract a different and much more diverse crowd than the track does. Many people will go to a car show but not as many go to the track. Plus many times car shows are held in very public places like supermarket parking lots, Home Depot parking lots, near parks, on the beach. And typically in mornings on weekends. Many people can conduct their routine of shoppu g and then look at cars or vice-versa. Or take the family to the beach or park and look at them. And they have free attendance for spectators. Its a much more family friendly environmentthan being at a track at 9pm with cars doing loud burnoutsand the smell of gas in the air..

And yes, Camaros are more expensive than Mustangs. Weren't you the one on all those threads about low sales? That was your thing for a while. I think you even started some of those threads. How many times was price brought up? Don't play like you don't know now. Price has always been a major reason for people choosing a GT over the SS. What were all those complaints and statements back in 15, 16, 17 all about then? "Dealership wouldn't come down on the price of a new SS so I went and got a GT for $28,500 OTD" and shit like that. You were present when we had all those debates here. And you saw all those posts on M6 too. That's the main reason why Mustangs sold more. Because they were significantly less expensive for the Base GT as compared to RTs, SRT8s, SS, etc.

Not denying camaros are more expensive or at least used to be lol. Just curious as to why now at the same style event in two different states I have seen similar turnouts. Test n tune especially mustang always makes up the majority of the domestic cars. For just a test n tune or saturday at the track I agree with you 100% I am talking this event specifically that I have now gone to in two different states.

Lets even take the mustang out of this since it was also a NMRA event so going to be tons of mustangs regardless, but the NMCA has classes for everyone.

The car show was at the track, so not a typical car show or cars n coffee type thing. This was a car show at the track in the middle of no where Michigan lol.

Cars being expensive doesn't stop the Mopar guys or other GM guys. there was tons of hellcat challengers chargers possibly a demon and even a brand new TRX. there was a couple of corvettes and even a CTS-v racing as well. Good amount of F-bodies as well. So it's not a money thing or cost of car thing. Again if you saw some of the money in some of these tow rigs it was ridiculous lol.

I just find it odd is all. I just think there would have been more than the 2 or 3 I saw. And the one was flat out flying and sounded great lol.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by shaffe

Not denying camaros are more expensive or at least used to be lol. Just curious as to why now at the same style event in two different states I have seen similar turnouts. Test n tune especially mustang always makes up the majority of the domestic cars. For just a test n tune or saturday at the track I agree with you 100% I am talking this event specifically that I have now gone to in two different states.

Lets even take the mustang out of this since it was also a NMRA event so going to be tons of mustangs regardless, but the NMCA has classes for everyone.

The car show was at the track, so not a typical car show or cars n coffee type thing. This was a car show at the track in the middle of no where Michigan lol.

Cars being expensive doesn't stop the Mopar guys or other GM guys. there was tons of hellcat challengers chargers possibly a demon and even a brand new TRX. there was a couple of corvettes and even a CTS-v racing as well. Good amount of F-bodies as well. So it's not a money thing or cost of car thing. Again if you saw some of the money in some of these tow rigs it was ridiculous lol.

I just find it odd is all. I just think there would have been more than the 2 or 3 I saw. And the one was flat out flying and sounded great lol.

Well I answered your question. First off this is not something new. This has been the standard for at least 10 years now. And I'll repeat that the more expensive a car is, the less it will attract people who will be willing to race it. Especially if that vehicle is not labeled as a quarter mile vehicle. You ever see a McLaren at the track? A Gallardo? R8? How many Z06s did you see there?
However you do see Hellcats there because they are labeled as quarter mile vehicles and people are willing to race them even if only a few times. GTs are a poor man's Muscle Car. They are literally the cheapest of the bunch by far. They attract a much younger crowd because that is what they can afford. And that is what they do, they go to the track every chance they get. And most likely, those will be the same ones who go to the track if they ever can afford a ZL1. On the whole that is. Plus they all have something to prove against the more elite Muscle Cars which is why they throw in drag packs and snap their axles or throw on every mod in the book and void their warranty so they can try to be faster than ZL1s and HCs even if it's just for one pass and they end up going home on the back of a lift. In contrast, Camaro and Corvette guys are much more likely to enter a show and win.