[Z OH 6]

Originally Posted by pauly1119

Brodi is awesome. Quite the viral sensation.

[pauly1119]

Originally Posted by Z OH 6

Brodi is awesome. Quite the viral sensation.

funny he is.

[Juniorss]

Originally Posted by Future1LEa10

Funny story I too have owned a few of these cars. 2 2017 392 SCAT challengers and a 2017 Charger Daytona 392, none of which ate anything in their engines. All three had very rough lives in my hands. I dont baby my cars and none of them drank a drop of oil nor did they have any mechanical failures of any kind. During that period of time I was also an active member of a few Challenger/Charger forums. This wasnt "well documented" on any of them. Still isnt.

Now if you want to talk about whining rear end gears and Dodge's inability to correct them, then we can agree.

My hellcat had a very slight whine.

As for the lifters, go do a search on the Jeep SRT Facebook page. Grab a bag of popcorn because it’s a lot of reading.. You can also search it on any of the charger/challenger/ram Facebook pages and it comes up quite a bit.

[Z OH 6]

Originally Posted by Juniorss

My hellcat had a very slight whine.

As for the lifters, go do a search on the Jeep SRT Facebook page. Grab a bag of popcorn because it’s a lot of reading.. You can also search it on any of the charger/challenger/ram Facebook pages and it comes up quite a bit.

You're still talking about an uncommon issue. Do some research and see how many SRT vehicles were sold and then compare that to the few vocal people on a forum and you'll see the percentages are very low. Many of the failures you're reading about were also with an aftermarket cam installed. That's not the vehicle manufacturers fault. This is the way the internet works, just because you can google someone that has an issue doesn't make it a common problem. If its a major issue, the manufacturer will perform a recall. You always read about the people that have issues, but you hardly ever read about the other satisfied customers that DON'T have issues. Again, I have to ask, why are any of us driving a Camaro ZL1 if the oil pumps are such a common problem? I'll tell you why, because its not that common. Has the oil pump failed in these vehicles? Sure, but its not like its a widespread issue.

[gtfoxy]

Originally Posted by Z OH 6

And you're the only one that's ever worked in the car business. Maybe it was just your area. Dodge must be having so much success because of their high risk loan structures and not because they actually build a good product. GTFO.

You didn’t answer the question, but that’s OK.

At the same time I have never heard Ford or GM actively advertising buying incentives for people with bad credit, ie, traditionally poor life choices, but FCA on the other hand….

it’s still funny cause it true.

[Z OH 6]

Originally Posted by gtfoxy

You didn’t answer the question, but that’s OK.

At the same time I have never heard Ford or GM actively advertising buying incentives for people with bad credit, ie, traditionally poor life choices, but FCA on the other hand….

it’s still funny cause it true.

True in your eyes doesn't make it true. Its funny that you can speak as if you know EVERY owner that has ever bought a Dodge Challenger or Charger and can certifiably say they have bad credit. Its ludicrous to even make that statement. Again, your experience in your area may be different. When I bought a 2018 Charger Daytona, I guess my 829 credit score was considered bad. Same with my 2016 Challenger Hellcat, 2017 Charger Hellcat, 2020 SRT Durango, 2021 Durango Hellcat. Its funny because its true.

[gtfoxy]

Originally Posted by Z OH 6

True in your eyes doesn't make it true. Its funny that you can speak as if you know EVERY owner that has ever bought a Dodge Challenger or Charger and can certifiably say they have bad credit. Its ludicrous to even make that statement. Again, your experience in your area may be different. When I bought a 2018 Charger Daytona, I guess my 820 credit score was considered bad. Same with my 2016 Challenger Hellcat, 2017 Charger Hellcat, 2020 SRT Durango, 2021 Durango Hellcat. Its funny because its true.

I’m not saying people with good credit don’t buy FCA products.

What I’m saying is it’s true because they actually have an advertising campaign because of that business model & that they are the only ones that I have heard said advertising from.

If you can point me to a commercial, aaaaaany commercial, from Ford or GM that actively targets peoples that can’t manage their fiscal priorities, I’d be all ears.

[FoundNemo]

I like my cars to go places, not just straight. Nopar for me unless its a Viper

[gtfoxy]

Originally Posted by FoundNemo

I like my cars to go places, not just straight. Nopar for me unless its a Viper

I wasn’t going to go there, but… always thought those were a pretty neat Dodge vehicle.

Then, I can’t remember which magazine it was, C&D, Motor Trend, etc, about 10yrs or so ago, came out with a Vipers buyer’s guide… Good lord the issues & design flaws they had.

[Z OH 6]

Originally Posted by gtfoxy

I’m not saying people with good credit don’t buy FCA products.

What I’m saying is it’s true because they actually have an advertising campaign because of that business model & that they are the only ones that I have heard said advertising from.

If you can point me to a commercial, aaaaaany commercial, from Ford or GM that actively targets peoples that can’t manage their fiscal priorities, I’d be all ears.

What commercials are you referring to from Dodge that targets people that can't manage their fiscal priorities? Maybe I haven't seen this or noticed it.

[Z OH 6]

Originally Posted by FoundNemo

I like my cars to go places, not just straight. Nopar for me unless its a Viper

Understood which is why you bought a ZL1, that's the same reason I bought one. That being said, Dodge is outselling the Hell out of Ford and GM right now with that old boat platform that only goes fast in a straight line. As a a Hellcat owner, they have their own appeal and quite honestly most people can utilize straight line performance more often than cornering performance so the average person is likely to get a lot more giggles and grins from the Dodge products.

[Z OH 6]

Originally Posted by gtfoxy

I wasn’t going to go there, but… always thought those were a pretty neat Dodge vehicle.

Then, I can’t remember which magazine it was, C&D, Motor Trend, etc, about 10yrs or so ago, came out with a Vipers buyer’s guide… Good lord the issues & design flaws they had.

It wasn't until the last Gen vipers that they finally overcome most of their flaws. Unfortunately, by then, the price had ballooned into the stratosphere and they weren't selling anymore. I've never seen the appeal in a Viper, I've driven a second Gen, its neat but nothing that would persuade me to buy one over a Z06 or ZR1 Corvette. The ACR versions are a certified badass on the track though.

[gtfoxy]

Originally Posted by Z OH 6

What commercials are you referring to from Dodge that targets people that can't manage their fiscal priorities? Maybe I haven't seen this or noticed it.

It was about last year or so there was radio ads I heard that seriously said FCA was offering a $1,500 buying incentive if you had a 650 or lower credit score. They played it like more debt was the answer to their credit woes.

I shit you not. I was in disbelief at what I was hearing.

Maybe there were TV commercials as well, but I haven’t watched network TV in many years, so I can’t speak to that.

Originally Posted by Z OH 6

It wasn't until the last Gen vipers that they finally overcome most of their flaws. Unfortunately, by then, the price had ballooned into the stratosphere and they weren't selling anymore. I've never seen the appeal in a Viper, I've driven a second Gen, its neat but nothing that would persuade me to buy one over a Z06 or ZR1 Corvette. The ACR versions are a certified badass on the track though.

That’s what I gathered from the guide.

I try to take a lot of that stuff at face value, but if half of it was as much of a concern as they made it, holy crap. You’d have to add 10K to the purchase price of a 1st Gen if the stuff wasn’t done.

[Chef-j]

Originally Posted by gtfoxy

It was about last year or so there was radio ads I heard that seriously said FCA was offering a $1,500 buying incentive if you had a 650 or lower credit score. They played it like more debt was the answer to their credit woes.

I shit you not. I was in disbelief at what I was hearing.

Maybe there were TV commercials as well, but I haven’t watched network TV in many years, so I can’t speak to that.



That’s what I gathered from the guide.

I try to take a lot of that stuff at face value, but if half of it was as much of a concern as they made it, holy crap. You’d have to add 10K to the purchase price of a 1st Gen if the stuff wasn’t done.

All manufacturers/dealers wants any customers either they have bad or good credit. But lets say FCA did, that makes them bad company?