[TTown918]

Originally Posted by Z OH 6

Its marketing. Ask most people if they've heard of a ZL1 or a Hellcat, don't even mention, Camaro, Challenger, or Charger. I bet most of those people have heard of a Hellcat, do you know why? Marketing. Almost no one knows what a ZL1 is. This has a huge impact on sales. As a previous owner of a Hellcat, I can't tell you how many people just ooh and ahh about it just because its a Hellcat. I've had a 60+ year old woman ask me if it was a Hellcat when I parked it and got out.

No it's not (ok, maybe 1%). Anyone shopping in this category of cars is aware of Camaro (as for the ZL1 - it's just a tiny subset in terms of sales, and if you are into high-powered sports cars you are likely an enthusiast and know or will find out what is on the market as options). Your 60 year old woman point is irrelevant. She's not in the possible buyer pool so her ignorance doesn't matter. Personally, I never see a Mustang commercial - so, their sales should be dismal as well. I have to imagine a lot of people cross shop the pony cars (not everyone is fanatically brand loyal), and I suspect there are a good number of people that sit in the camaro and find the visibility to be absurd (utterly unable to see over your right shoulder) and decide to go with a mustang or a challenger for that reason alone.

[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by Camaro1973

I’m just kidding because I’m From jersey too

Just blame it on gov Murphy…

...and let me as an ex-Jersey boy pop into this heated thread for just a second to give a giant, hairy, heartfelt thumbs down to Murphy.

[Z OH 6]

Originally Posted by TTown918

No it's not (ok, maybe 1%). Anyone shopping in this category of cars is aware of Camaro (as for the ZL1 - it's just a tiny subset in terms of sales, and if you are into high-powered sports cars you are likely an enthusiast and know or will find out what is on the market as options). Your 60 year old woman point is irrelevant. She's not in the possible buyer pool so her ignorance doesn't matter. Personally, I never see a Mustang commercial - so, their sales should be dismal as well. I have to imagine a lot of people cross shop the pony cars (not everyone is fanatically brand loyal), and I suspect there are a good number of people that sit in the camaro and find the visibility to be absurd (utterly unable to see over your right shoulder) and decide to go with a mustang or a challenger for that reason alone.

You're certainly entitled to your opinion. Which Camaro, Mustang or Charger/Challenger do you own?

[Joshinator99]

Originally Posted by TTown918

No it's not (ok, maybe 1%). Anyone shopping in this category of cars is aware of Camaro (as for the ZL1 - it's just a tiny subset in terms of sales, and if you are into high-powered sports cars you are likely an enthusiast and know or will find out what is on the market as options). Your 60 year old woman point is irrelevant. She's not in the possible buyer pool so her ignorance doesn't matter. Personally, I never see a Mustang commercial - so, their sales should be dismal as well. I have to imagine a lot of people cross shop the pony cars (not everyone is fanatically brand loyal), and I suspect there are a good number of people that sit in the camaro and find the visibility to be absurd (utterly unable to see over your right shoulder) and decide to go with a mustang or a challenger for that reason alone.

I can only speak for myself of course, but I drove both a new ‘18 Mustang GT A10 before driving my car and buying it. I didn’t notice any marked difference in visibility at all. When you drive these cars I feel like you’re much more focused on the experience: power, handling, style, creature comforts, etc. The visibility discussion is being blown out of proportion IMO.

What is out of sight is out of mind, so GM abandoning the Camaro in terms of marketing is definitely hurting them. Case in point: one of the girls at my work had to ask me what my Camaro was when she saw it. She knew my coworkers Mustang immediately.

[Z OH 6]

Originally Posted by Joshinator99

I can only speak for myself of course, but I drove both a new ‘18 Mustang GT A10 before driving my car and buying it. I didn’t notice any marked difference in visibility at all. When you drive these cars I feel like you’re much more focused on the experience: power, handling, style, creature comforts, etc. The visibility discussion is being blown out of proportion IMO.

What is out of sight is out of mind, so GM abandoning the Camaro in terms of marketing is definitely hurting them. Case in point: one of the girls at my work had to ask me what my Camaro was when she saw it. She knew my coworkers Mustang immediately.

Exactly, I was expecting much worse visibility in my ZL1 than what I had in my Hellcat. Is it worse? Sure, a little, but nothing like its made out to be by some people. GM had great success with the 4th gen F-Body initially, they marketed it and people bought them in droves, outselling the Mustang for a few years, then they stopped marketing it and the F-Body died. Then GM brought the Camaro back again in the 5th Gen and marketed it again, and sales took off and outsold the Mustang again, then they stopped marketing it and sales slumped. I don't think the 6th Gen has been marketed at all and its the best Camaro yet.

[Vigilante375]

Originally Posted by Joshinator99

I can only speak for myself of course, but I drove both a new ‘18 Mustang GT A10 before driving my car and buying it. I didn’t notice any marked difference in visibility at all. When you drive these cars I feel like you’re much more focused on the experience: power, handling, style, creature comforts, etc. The visibility discussion is being blown out of proportion IMO.

What is out of sight is out of mind, so GM abandoning the Camaro in terms of marketing is definitely hurting them. Case in point: one of the girls at my work had to ask me what my Camaro was when she saw it. She knew my coworkers Mustang immediately.

I had a girl who worked at Zaxbys tell me she loved my ZL1 when I was in the drive thru. She only saw it when I pulled up to the window to pay and get my food. She wasn't even the one helping me.

[MBSS1LE]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Jesus EFFING Christ, how many times is someone gonna make this same exact post and make the same exact statements? Camaro sales. More HP. Advertise. Ok, we get it. There doesn't need to be 3 of the same posts in every sub-forum on here every day man. Just go to one of the 20 million other posts with the same title and talk about it there. Camaro sales always suck. Nothing new. We obviously don't need 750 HP because along with that comes a whole bunch of other things like added costs, higher prices, on top of more government restrictions. GM has never advertised the Camaro well and they don't appear to be about to start doing it now. It doesn't matter because what they do sell obviously is enough to justify the continued production of the car. We don't need to talk about this all day every day and repeat the same thing over and over and over and over again. Give it a rest already.

It's the nature of internet auto forums. It's always been that way. It's not unlike the cable news channels. They repeat the same things over and over 24 hours a day on the off chance someone who has not been paying attention to them tunes in. Instead of railing about this happening on this forum, when you see it happening, just refuse to engage. Just a thought.

[PROMETHEUS]

I had one person ask me if my ZL1 was the new C8 Corvette. Most people don't have a clue.

[Z OH 6]

Originally Posted by PROMETHEUS

I had one person ask me if my ZL1 was the new C8 Corvette. Most people don't have a clue.

Yep.

[kropscamaro16]

i always wanted a 5th gen ss but couldnt afford it so i saved up and when i saw the 6th gen at sema 2015 i said to myself im going to buy one of those...about 6 months later i got a 2016 1ss only option was npp since i knew i was going to modify the hell out of my car anyways...wish i would have waited for a 1le and pretty sure i wouldnt have been able to afford a zl1 or zl1 1le



i love my car and i almost sold it a few months ago due to the market $$ but nothing i want that i can afford



c8 zl1 1le etc oh well

[Trochoidal]

Originally Posted by Z OH 6

And what happened to each of those vehicles? All gone. Starting to see a trend here?

I recall each of these cars had limited production numbers and the reason was to help Holden plants.

But you’re right, they’re all gone now.

[Joshinator99]

Originally Posted by Vigilante375

I had a girl who worked at Zaxbys tell me she loved my ZL1 when I was in the drive thru. She only saw it when I pulled up to the window to pay and get my food. She wasn't even the one helping me.

I’d bet a case of frosty beverages that if you polled 100 random women, less than 2 would know what a ZL1 was. I would guess double to triple that would know what a Hellcat is.

I’m happy to be proven wrong if I get to share the beverages.

[SFV1LE]

Originally Posted by PROMETHEUS

I had one person ask me if my ZL1 was the new C8 Corvette. Most people don't have a clue.

At a Chevy dealer in LA, a Corvette owner I met said on first sight he thought my Hyper Blue ZLE was a Corvette.

I think with unique features like the big CF wing, hood wrap and big dive planes the ZLE just creates a visual impression that confuses car enthusiasts who aren't already familiar with it. When it's clean and shiny on a sunny day, bright unique colors like Hyper Blue add to the effect.

People see it and first think it's a custom car with custom mods--aero, carbon vent, steamroller wheels. This combination confuses or distracts people while they take it in--the overall effect for these people, me included, is "Wow, that looks like some badass Hot Wheels muscle car come to life" That's what I thought when I saw it, and at least 50% of the reason why I bought it.

[CamaroSSStlfan]

Originally Posted by Vigilante375

Yet the Mustang has stayed around since 1964 and I don't ever recall seeing a Mustang commercial..... other than the electric SUV called Mustang.

The Mustang brand at this point doesn't need a ton of advertising. Everyone knows about it and it has a loyal following.


Like someone else said the crap visibility of Camaro has hurt sales. I drove a 2012 Mustang GT before my current SS and you can't even compared the visibility of the two. The mustang you could see very easily out of. Very.