[LegendarySS]

It's certainly GM's fault. They have made it very clear they will prioritize everyone over Camaro buyers. I understand profit margins but a customer is a customer and priority is priority. A person spending 40k+ shouldn't have to wait with no real status on their build. GM has't stopped doubling down on the EV PR either. How about fill our orders before you double down on a product you CERTAINLY won't be able to make until the semiconductor issue is resolved in 2-3 years. And the offers and rebates don't even compare to Mustang, Charger, Challenger. Bad business IMO

Originally Posted by Uboatcmdr

Maybe she doesn't, BUT maybe she does (not my sales manager). I did a bit of a news search and found SPORADIC shortages of SPECIFIC chips that have caused SHORT shutdowns for many different brands, above mentioned fuel saving chip, climate control and jeep interior buttons to name a few. The news sources say it was because of canceled orders from last summer and for Jeep the texas cold weather. But those stories all said that those chip makers are now working hard to fill the demand.


Camaro stands out as the longest shutdown I could find. SHE said it was a GM CHOICE because of LOW demand and profits.



MY POINT > Once GM decides to produce Camaro's again they can satisfy all Customers like me and the handful of other factory order people active on this forum/thread because general demand sucks.



Since you are so knowledgeable about all this WHICH SPECIFIC CHIP AND ITS FUNCTION UNIQUE TO CAMARO is the CAUSE?? please post link

[Uboatcmdr]

Originally Posted by LegendarySS

It's certainly GM's fault. They have made it very clear they will prioritize everyone over Camaro buyers. I understand profit margins but a customer is a customer and priority is priority. A person spending 40k+ shouldn't have to wait with no real status on their build. GM has't stopped doubling down on the EV PR either. How about fill our orders before you double down on a product you CERTAINLY won't be able to make until the semiconductor issue is resolved in 2-3 years. And the offers and rebates don't even compare to Mustang, Charger, Challenger. Bad business IMO

Total agreement. GM should treat ALL factory order customers (tiny fraction of all buyers. less than 5%) for ALL models in a concierge way. We should get a call thanking us and telling us how quickly our car will be built. It should have 1st priority. There should be NO consideration for allocation/consensus among dealers. Why hold customers hostage based upon what dealership they walk into. It is TOTAL marketing stupidity how this is handled even w/o the current delays.



fyi - there are over 1,000 dodge competitors on the lot within an easy drive of me.

[fortheson33]

Well I gave up on ordering and was actually able to find exactly what I wanted. It’s getting delivered today!

[Hitman84]

Originally Posted by fortheson33

Well I gave up on ordering and was actually able to find exactly what I wanted. It’s getting delivered today!

Congrats. I gave up on 21s. Thought about buying something off a lot but there's so little out there according to cars.com let alone with the options I want. Have an order in with joe for a 22. Probably for the best since I've always been an orange car guy and love metallics. The new vivid orange is gonna be sick.

The wait however sucks knowing I'm probably looking at 4 and a half months.

[GearheadSS]

Originally Posted by LegendarySS

It's certainly GM's fault. They have made it very clear they will prioritize everyone over Camaro buyers. I understand profit margins but a customer is a customer and priority is priority. A person spending 40k+ shouldn't have to wait with no real status on their build. GM has't stopped doubling down on the EV PR either. How about fill our orders before you double down on a product you CERTAINLY won't be able to make until the semiconductor issue is resolved in 2-3 years. And the offers and rebates don't even compare to Mustang, Charger, Challenger. Bad business IMO

Media blitz and preparation for EV has nothing to do with semiconductors. You don't need semiconductors to make commercials with vehicles that aren't even real at this point.

I know everyone is upset but you all really have no idea what goes on behind the scenes in car production. It's not what we want to hear but our Camaros don't generate enough profit. There simply aren't enough people like us that want to buy them right now. It is what it is. Don't blame GM, blame everyone that wants an SUV instead of a Camaro right now.

Profit margins are everything when you can't build the same amount of vehicles you could 2 years ago. Of course they're going to prioritize their most profitable models. Not just for the good of GM but for the good of the dealers that have A LOT of employees that have families to support.

[tommcd24]

Not sure if this has been posted elsewhere yet, but here's an article about the Camaro plant starting back up. Sounds like it will be a slow start-up though, and no details on if Camaros or Cadillac products will get priority.

https://gmauthority.com/blog/2021/04...g-grand-river/

[CHerna]

Originally Posted by GearheadSS

Media blitz and preparation for EV has nothing to do with semiconductors. You don't need semiconductors to make commercials with vehicles that aren't even real at this point.

I know everyone is upset but you all really have no idea what goes on behind the scenes in car production. It's not what we want to hear but our Camaros don't generate enough profit. There simply aren't enough people like us that want to buy them right now. It is what it is. Don't blame GM, blame everyone that wants an SUV instead of a Camaro right now.

Profit margins are everything when you can't build the same amount of vehicles you could 2 years ago. Of course they're going to prioritize their most profitable models. Not just for the good of GM but for the good of the dealers that have A LOT of employees that have families to support.

This ^

x1000

[LegendarySS]

1. Marketing dollars don't effect semi conductor shortage but I can guarantee you it's spitting in the face of people like me who've owned ONLY GM cars New and Used since I've been driving. How about they focus on ALL of their CURRENT paying customers rather than go into a EV pissing contest with Japan, knowing good and damn well Japan and Germany are going to eat GM alive in the economy car space like they've always done.

2. While Dodge and Ford have their issues as well, you don't see them ignoring Challenger, Charger and Mustang owners. Chevy doesn't even do the bare min to even be competitive in this space. If you're done with performance cars just say that, ship out the current placed order and shut it down and focus on your money maker.

3. My 2021 Camaro has a VIN it's been Bayed since the week of 3/1. IDC who's buying what, my $40,000+ spends the same exact way as everyone else. For all the cars that are BUILT should get chips and head out the door. To the people who haven't hit build week sorry, but I put my order in January and a lil note from GM directly apologizing for the inconvenience would be nice.

4. I live in one of the largest counties in the country, I know for a fact my dealer gets more allocation than most dealers. My dealer and entire area hasn't had much to sell for a few months, so if the Chicagoland area can't get cars who the hell is? Certainly not small towns and smaller cities.

GM just sucks. Period. Last car I'll buy from them

Originally Posted by GearheadSS

Media blitz and preparation for EV has nothing to do with semiconductors. You don't need semiconductors to make commercials with vehicles that aren't even real at this point.

I know everyone is upset but you all really have no idea what goes on behind the scenes in car production. It's not what we want to hear but our Camaros don't generate enough profit. There simply aren't enough people like us that want to buy them right now. It is what it is. Don't blame GM, blame everyone that wants an SUV instead of a Camaro right now.

Profit margins are everything when you can't build the same amount of vehicles you could 2 years ago. Of course they're going to prioritize their most profitable models. Not just for the good of GM but for the good of the dealers that have A LOT of employees that have families to support.

[Soon2be 21SS]

Yep. Gm just does not prioritize the Camaro like Ford does the Mustang. I watched the Talladaga races this weekend, and Camaro won 12 of the top 20 slots, Mustang 4 and Toyota 4 places. Chevy used to tout their racing history, but no longer. Camaro is faster, has better handling, yet still lags far behind Mustang sales. When was the last time you saw a Camaro ad on TV? It’s a shame. I can’t wait to get my Camaro in the next few weeks. Hopefully it will live on; even if it has to be electric.

[LegendarySS]

Exactly, I'm really not trying to be "that" customer but I sold my old Camaro and placed an order for this one in Jan. Been w/o a car since jan (didn't really need one when you're up to your neck in snow lol) but now that the weather is nice and I'm moving to Texas, GM is holding up a lot of my plans. it's one thing to treat EVERYONE the same way, I would understand but when you tell me a bunch of people buying 20k Volts and these shitty crossovers or whatever else they are making these days get priority over me then that pisses me off. Even worse when my sales guy who sold my new Camaro has a baby on the way and that dealer who normally has hundreds of cars on their lot look bare now and he's freaking out because he can't sell my car or much else. It's telling me GM has their head up their ass in a very competitive market. Other companies are hungry to earn business especially since we're transitioning to electric. Now it's about who has the most stylish and comfortable appliance.

[CHerna]

L cars (Charger, Challenger, 300) will be phased out soon. A little birdy told me something with electrification is going in that plant.

There are several reports that the Mustang is going all electric for the next generation.

You're entitled to your opinion, but I'm not sure where you're getting your information. The Japanese are pretty behind on EV development. So much so, that Honda/Acura has to partner with GM. The Japanese companies were banking big on Hydrogen.

The biggest competitors in the space are Tesla, and the Germans. GM has put themselves in a good position in the EV race. EV seems to be way forward. Whether you like it or not, whether you want an EV or not, is all besides the point.

Semi-conductors are being allocated to the high volume, high profit plants. It's business, I get it. What's the alternative? GM use them on slow selling cars and potentially make themselves financially vulnerable? Then people will cry "old GM" "GM never learns" "GM will be bankrupt again".

I'm in the same spot as you, waiting for my car since late Feb/early March. I knew what I was getting into. I knew semi-conductors were a looming issue. I decided to order any way. I'm in the industry, so maybe that's why I don't feel that GM owes me anything - aside from the car I'm buying.

[GearheadSS]

Originally Posted by LegendarySS

Exactly, I'm really not trying to be "that" customer but I sold my old Camaro and placed an order for this one in Jan. Been w/o a car since jan (didn't really need one when you're up to your neck in snow lol) but now that the weather is nice and I'm moving to Texas, GM is holding up a lot of my plans. it's one thing to treat EVERYONE the same way, I would understand but when you tell me a bunch of people buying 20k Volts and these shitty crossovers or whatever else they are making these days get priority over me then that pisses me off. Even worse when my sales guy who sold my new Camaro has a baby on the way and that dealer who normally has hundreds of cars on their lot look bare now and he's freaking out because he can't sell my car or much else. It's telling me GM has their head up their ass in a very competitive market. Other companies are hungry to earn business especially since we're transitioning to electric. Now it's about who has the most stylish and comfortable appliance.

You really just sound like an entitled brat. You're not the only person going through this.

I don't understand why you think Bolt/Volt or whatever EV you want to insert to help try and prove your point is getting priority over Camaros or anything else right now. New Bolts haven't started production yet. Neither have the Lyriq, Hummer or any of the other EVs. Volt hasn't been in production since 2019 so I'm not sure why you even brought that one up.

[LegendarySS]

Do you work for them or something? I could swear I’m talking to a C-level or Director of Marketing for someone to fanboy so much over a poorly managed company. You sound like the idiot that thinks he know everything but knows nothing. You missed the point and it wasn’t really for you anyway other people agree it’s poor business practice. Idc what GM makes other than the Camaro, Corvette, Cadillac and their Trucks. The rest of is garbage you can debate it all you want the fact they’ve blown up half of GMs brands in the last 2 decades and the low sales all around shows they arguably are top 3 worst managed auto manufacturers. But you enjoy whatever you love so much about them. I’ll be the entitled “brat” that gets his Camaro and tells GM to go to..

[CHerna]

-Highest profits recorded
-Highest stock price ever

"Top 3 worst managed auto manufacturers" lol ok bro