[zain]

is it really worth the risk! you are just giving them a reason to void the warranty which I believe they will be more than happy to do for a performance car.

[semif18]

Originally Posted by zain

is it really worth the risk! you are just giving them a reason to void the warranty which I believe they will be more than happy to do for a performance car.

It's a great question and one each has to answer on his own. I see very little to no risk but that's just me. Is it worth it? I do notice slightly better/crisper throttle response and a super sweet supercharger whine. Looks fantastic when you open the hood at Cars and Coffee. Supposed to be 20hp+ increase.......I don't know, not really that noticeable, maybe a hair but that's probably just me wanting to notice a hp increase. Might be dumb but I feel like I'm giving the motor a better ability to breathe, I know I know, just me trying to validate the purchase.....psychology 101. Is a CAI without a tune a significant upgrade to performance? Of course not. To each his own.

[Clavery1322]

Originally Posted by PROMETHEUS

Lets agree to disagree. Your statement "the owner has to prove nothing". If GM says something voids the warranty, if the owner wants to fight it.......he has to prove them wrong, albeit a futile venture, but nevertheless. That was my point.

I see what you're saying.

[L78toLT1]

Play it safe. Swap the oem intake back on before going to the dealer. It's literally a 5 minute job

[WhiteMale]

Its you against GM and you'll be bankrupt asserting Mag-Moss. I'm exaggerating a little bit but you know what I mean, you're in the disadvantaged position. The bumper-to-bumper should be intact but the powertrain, ya you're risking that and it all comes down to the dealer, they say no and you're pretty well fooked unless your independently wealthy which in that case you don't need the powertrain warranty

[Blu Ray]

Roto fab has 2 intakes for the Z - the Big Gulp which requires a Tune, this option with FOR SURE void your warranty - they also have oil and dry system, that do NOT require a tune - if a Voided warranty is a problem for you - I would go with the NO TUNE required option

[hawk02]

Originally Posted by Vigilante375

Look up the Magnuson–Moss Warranty Act. Any manufacturer will have to prove that whatever mod you did to your vehicle or wherever else, caused it to have an issue.

FYI. It's also illegal for those void warranty stickers to be put on anything. Big companies like Microsoft have lost again and again in court over those stickers on their products.

I don’t know why people keep spewing this mis-information regarding the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act.

Yes, if you replace the OEM drop-in filter with one made by Frame or use a WIX oil filter in place of the AC Delco one, then yes, the manufacturer will have to prove the replacement part did not meet manufacturer specifications and caused the problem. In both cases, the original manufacturer design is not altered just the replacement parts.

On the other hand, a cold air intake or a catch can changes the intended design of the product. In this case, the manufacturer has to prove nothing. All they have to say is the after market part changed our original design and therefore the product can no longer be warranted because of said change.

[Vigilante375]

Originally Posted by hawk02

I don’t know why people keep spewing this mis-information regarding the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act.

Yes, if you replace the OEM drop-in filter with one made by Frame or use a WIX oil filter in place of the AC Delco one, then yes, the manufacturer will have to prove the replacement part did not meet manufacturer specifications and caused the problem. In both cases, the original manufacturer design is not altered just the replacement parts.

On the other hand, a cold air intake or a catch can changes the intended design of the product. In this case, the manufacturer has to prove nothing. All they have to say is the after market part changed our original design and therefore the product can no longer be warranted because of said change.

But they, the manufacturer, has to PROVE that the oil catch can, cold air intake or axle back exhaust caused the issue. Its listed in the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act, clearly. The Manufacturer cannot just say "You added an (insert aftermarket part) and your warranty is void". That's illegal per the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act.

The customer doesn't go through with it mainly because the manufacturer has more money and lawyers ready to make the hearings last for 10+ years, costing you hundred of thousands of dollars. Which is nothing to them.

But it makes no sense when the manufacturer paid $200k to stop you from getting $20k engine replaced.

Not trying to start an argument but it's not true that the manufacturer can just deny your warranty without proving why.

[43Camaro]

Everyone keeps talking about the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act. The reality is hundreds of thousands of Camaros, Mustangs and Challengers/Chargers have been sold over the last 10+years. I'm willing to guess a ton of these had added an aftermarket CAI or exhaust. I'm on numerous message boards for over ten years and have only heard of two times the CAI voided a warranty w-out a tune added. Can it happen, sure it can, is it likely, probably not.

I've always been nice to service managers and have never had a problem with my cars. We all take risk in everything we do in our daily lives, to me the risk is very low on a non tune CAI of having your warranty claim denied. Like everyone keeps saying, just put the stock back on if your worried about it.

[SFV1LE]

Originally Posted by Vigilante375

But they, the manufacturer, has to PROVE that the oil catch can, cold air intake or axle back exhaust caused the issue. Its listed in the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act, clearly. The Manufacturer cannot just say "You added an (insert aftermarket part) and your warranty is void". That's illegal per the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act.

The customer doesn't go through with it mainly because the manufacturer has more money and lawyers ready to make the hearings last for 10+ years, costing you hundred of thousands of dollars. Which is nothing to them.

But it makes no sense when the manufacturer paid $200k to stop you from getting $20k engine replaced.

Not trying to start an argument but it's not true that the manufacturer can just deny your warranty without proving why.

It may be true that it is not technically legal or ethical for them to do that, but I know that they WILL do this and you won't be able to fight it (and win) without spending thousands.

They do this all the time, I've experienced it firsthand on something very basic that only cost me about $400 but fit this example perfectly.

[CACer55]

The dealership I purchased my 1LE from is a Roto Fab dealer. Cost a couple bucks for install but they added it before delivery and they said it does NOT void GM warranty.

[43Camaro]

The funny thing about all of these stories (which again only heard of two) about people just having a CAI and being denied a warranty claim is sort of BS to me. Most people I know who have a CAI intake also have ten other mods on top of just the CAI. When they scream about having a warranty issue they typically aren't telling the entire story about the vehicle and its modifications.

I do believe we have schmuck dealers that will deny anything just because. But that's just standard operating procedure that would happen on any claim. If you ever worked in government they will deny any form of workers comp claim until they need to pay, which typically involves a lawyer. Just the world we live in. I should have went to law school.

[semif18]

So this is a pretty big statement from Cold Air Inductions. One would think that if GM tried to deny a warranty claim that a consumer who purchased a CAI from Cold Air Inductions would at least have something to back them up.

[CW3SF]

Originally Posted by PROMETHEUS

Lets agree to disagree. Your statement "the owner has to prove nothing". If GM says something voids the warranty, if the owner wants to fight it.......he has to prove them wrong, albeit a futile venture, but nevertheless. That was my point.

This. I’ve personally seen Dodge and Honda deny major component warranties on family member cars for minor mods that are seemingly unrelated to the actual part failure. In both cases the decision was the manufacturers corporate offices, not the local dealer. When that local dealer agrees to honor your warranty claim, it still has to get validated by corporate before the dealership gets paid for the repair. So YES, it helps to have a cooperative dealership. But that doesn’t automatically mean you will get covered.

I’ve seen it first hand. If they decide to void your warranty good luck getting that decision reversed. MM is no guarantee that you will win.